Player 0's Avatar Fallback HumanoidDescription has wrong BodyProportionScale and BodyTypeScale

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Description

The default BodyProportionScale and BodyTypeScale is 0.

See when creating from the Rig Plugin or when deleting all the NumberValue under the Humanoid:

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But the “Noob” HumanoidDescription fallback has its values wrong.

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In reality it never really had values, see the screenshots from here https://devforum.roblox.com/t/forgotten-corner-case-fallback-avatar-doesnt-have-a-humanoiddescription-inconsistency-with-avatars/3106459

 

Re-production Steps

  • Start an empty Baseplate
  • game.Players:CreateLocalPlayer()
  • game.Players.Player:LoadCharacter()
  • game.Players:ResetLocalPlayer()
  • Look at the HumanoidDescription from game.Workspace.Player

Expected Result

BodyProportionScale and BodyTypeScale used to be 0.

Actual Result

BodyProportionScale is now 1 and BodyTypeScale is now 0.3

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Hey Karl,

Sorry for the late reply here. This seems more of a question about what the ideal default here is rather than a bug. The ProportionScale of 1 and BodyTypeScale of 0.3 are applied to the fallback avatar. Here is a comparison of the old and new fallback avatar:

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It’s mostly a minor change in proportions, and it’s arguable which looks best. Do you think this change could cause issues with any games?

Thanks for the report!

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A Roblox Avatar by default has the same values as the Old Fallback, I think. The new one has these out of nowhere.

Besides that, I am not sure but there could maybe be a movement speed difference, or there would be a point where there could be. Never checked, but I know there is, and it would be related to the Density value of an avatar.