Can we not?
Discourse looks neat.
I think you forgot to mention that Discourse has a mobile UI/UX that is better than the current one we have.
Sure this is an invite-only forum, but I don’t see much difference in this from the Roblox.com forums - RbxDev does live up to its name… But not its initial prestige.
Thing is, you can moderate RbxDev however you want, but it doesn’t seem to need any more attention than the Roblox.com forums.
I prefer resourceful and / or intellectual over professional anyways when it comes to say what RbxDev is all about.
I’m not exactly sure what you’re trying to get across, but if you mean that the developer forums aren’t more important than the normal forums and that they are in dire need of an upgrade, I’m pretty sure switching to real forum software for them would probably already be on ROBLOX’s bucket list.
I’m just saying those bells and whistles that come with the new software might not be as useful as it would be threatening to some users. If Roblox finds that to be a beneficial way of filtering good thoughts on their projects so be it.
Which features in particular do you think seem threatening? There’s definitely a short period where you have to learn some of the new features, but it’s not like Discourse is a completely different animal. It’s still forum software, and I was able to quickly jump into it without having to spend any time researching how to use it. There’s not much of a learning curve if you’ve already taken part in forums before.
Wonderful, more overdesigned garbage that doesn’t support half of the features that should be expected, in this day and age.
Such as…?
What a wonderfully detailed and constructive response.
Regardless, I think that a switch to Discourse would be awesome. Contrary to the opinion above, I enjoy the features that Discourse offers - especially over Kunena.
What a wonderfully detailed and constructive response.
Regardless, I think that a switch to Discourse would be awesome. Contrary to the opinion above, I enjoy the features that Discourse offers - especially over Kunena.[/quote]
As long as the email module is enabled, I’m absolutely fine with it. (Because then I’ll have little use for the horribly designed website itself)
The main problems I have with Discourse is that it looks like trash, it’s way too complicated, and it doesn’t accomplish anything. If I took reddit, bleached it, and added some of those weird google app icons I’d end up with a similarly confugly site. I don’t want to use a weird forum with all these weird features like post flagging, trust system, tracking, muting, etc. Also circle avatars are ugly. There’s so much unfamiliar nonsense going on here, it really seems like way more than we need to solve the problem of developers having a solid line of communication with the admins. I don’t see the point.
Moderation seems like a big selling point, but if the forums were moved and the members weren’t re-evaluated then nothing would have been accomplished imo. The only problem with current RBXDev that I see is that it’s become so accessible that it’s no longer able to serve the purpose of allowing developers to communicate with admins, kind of like the main site forums. If that’s fixed, good, we don’t need to move anywhere. If that isn’t fixed, boo, we haven’t accomplished anything.
I agree – the UI design is pretty bad, but feature-wise it tops Kunena.
With not really being able to communicate with the staff, I can assume you mean a number of things. The first being that we have people making really dumb feature requests / bug reports and repeatedly using subforums like moderation review requests incorrectly. Another would be that the feedback on updates from a lot of people is telling ROBLOX how they should implement it, worrying that ROBLOX is going to screw up the update, etc instead of telling the staff what they want to see added/removed, so the forums are no longer a place where the staff can get feedback more useful than on the normal forums. The final thing I can think of is that a certain number of people have decided that being professional is a crime and god forbid rules being enforced, treating the forums as if they were the normal ROBLOX forums.
The final one really gets on my nerves because not only is professional behavior the least enforced rule here, it contributes the most to the degradation of the community. It takes a lot to get booted from the developer forums, and even if someone’s juvenile behavior is reported, at most the thread will be locked. Hopefully with the automatic moderation of Discourse, we can gradually have all of these types of people removed from the forums and prevent it from degrading into a clone of the normal forms to ensure it remains a welcoming place for the staff to visit.
The first one probably results most because of the variety of people we have here. We’ll get really good builders in for example, but when they’re just getting into scripting they request a programming-related feature and it’s not really the greatest of ideas since it’s not their field of expertise. Really the only way to get around this is to have something specifically made for feature requests where features are sorted from most-liked to least-liked, having newest-first as an option instead of the default sort so the staff can quickly skim through feature requests and have bad feature requests filtered out. We also need to do a better job at enforcing correct usage of moderation review requests and enforcing proper bug reports (not undetailed garbage that was drafted up in a couple seconds).
The second part is mostly due to the lack of trust some people have in the staff for updates because of a number of features where feedback had almost no effect. I think that ROBLOX will never be able to get feedback from a decent number of people, and will always have to keep discussions restricted to a small number of people. The most likely solution is to appoint those few users that the staff feels comfortable discussing updates with since they won’t run in circles worrying about ROBLOX making updates bad but give actual feedback as community moderators and have them take advantage of Discourse’s post hiding system and hide posts that focus on whether or not ROBLOX will do an update right rather than what they’d like to see in updates. This way the staff don’t have any extra work or explaining to do, and the work is distributed to people who want these updates and will eagerly make sure that all posts for updates remain on-topic.
We also have people who can’t seem to figure out how to use the search feature here (i.e. “omg how to change profile status?” “why aren’t favorites on the profile page?!” etc), so I think there needs to be a better way of handling that. If you tell people “this has been answered before ”, you’re considered rude, and if you point out that it has been said on the same thread already, you get told (usually by the people who hate being professional) “but that was on the fourth page and I couldn’t be bothered to read that much!”. This is probably why threads repeat themselves every couple of pages since nobody seems to like to read previous posts.
And while this doesn’t degrade the forum directly, it certainly can cause issues. We have a large number of people who sign up and then just lurk (I’m talking about the people who joined a year ago and still have 11 posts or less). They contribute nothing to the forum, and their numbers are to blame for some content leaked from the forums. These forums are for contributing to the improvement of ROBLOX whether it be directly with feature requests / bug reports / update feedback, or indirectly by helping out other developers with questions they might have. People who have no interest in contributing to the forums have no place here.
I’m pretty sure the default avatar across Discourse installations is a colored square with a letter (the first letter of your username) in it.
What a wonderfully detailed and constructive response.
Regardless, I think that a switch to Discourse would be awesome. Contrary to the opinion above, I enjoy the features that Discourse offers - especially over Kunena.[/quote]
As long as the email module is enabled, I’m absolutely fine with it. (Because then I’ll have little use for the horribly designed website itself)[/quote]
You and Mark (the Linux Knights) would rather have a mailing list than a forum, so I’m gonna have to ask you to either post constructive feedback or none at all.
What a wonderfully detailed and constructive response.
Regardless, I think that a switch to Discourse would be awesome. Contrary to the opinion above, I enjoy the features that Discourse offers - especially over Kunena.[/quote]
As long as the email module is enabled, I’m absolutely fine with it. (Because then I’ll have little use for the horribly designed website itself)[/quote]
You and Mark (the Linux Knights) would rather have a mailing list than a forum, so I’m gonna have to ask you to either post constructive feedback or none at all.[/quote]
While Mark could, likely, make a decent argument for a mailing list, and has suggested a ROBLOX mailing list to me, I honestly do not like mailing lists. I’d just rather use email, a sane and easily read format, over the web interface for this forum software.
Just remembered I forgot to mention you can revoke likes in case you accidentally liked a post. I’ve seen it happen here a bit, so I thought it was worth mentioning.
this is happening soon right?
Hopefully that’s the case, assuming we’re still on schedule – exited for the switch 