They don’t weigh in on these kinds of threads precisely because of comments like that. People harassing groups is an insanely annoying problem that everyone hates and wants to solve ASAP. If the staff posted that banning was a pipe dream, all they’d get in response would be arguing for why it would work since people are desperate for anything to solve the issue, even if it wouldn’t work. The Avatar 2.0 threads are a prime example of the kind of discussion that goes on in this community when posts start being made without level heads. Nothing constructive would come of them telling you banning wouldn’t solve the issue.
You must have never had to block someone before on ROBLOX because the feature is entirely useless. It wasn’t too long ago that we had a thread posted about some guy continually making alts and bypassing the block on the other accounts to harass someone.
1.) exile people permanently in group
2.) new group option: “You must be verified to post in this group”
then alt accounts that harass via group would have a track to their actual owner
only problem i can foresee is temporary email providers, but at that point, you should rely on actual people moderating your group to silence any unruly alt accounts
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Accounts less than a day old shouldn’t be able to post in groups either.
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Or join.
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That sounds neat!
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Not possible
Would help, but all it would do is delay the person for a day. They could pre-make alt accounts in the same day and then a day later be able to continually join your group. I imagine any one who enjoys trolling on alts would have built up a big collection by now (I have 20 alt accounts that are from 2012 for instance), so they may not even need to wait a day.
I disagree with the notion that people can “just make alts” (I may just be going on a tangent, but I feel like I need to add my input on this ‘alts’ reason).
If I want to blacklist someone from my group, I want their main blacklisted because that’s the account they have with the most notoriety in the community. That’s the account their going to use the most. My group currently has a functional ingame global banlist from places, and adding people to this works wonders even though they “can just make alts”. No one wants to join the group and get serious in it because they want to do it on their main account not an alt. Are they joining just to harass the group? Well guess what, exiling them right now does NOTHING to solve that. As it currently stands they can just keep rejoining and continue to harass the group. Yeah, sure they can make an alt but who cares? All it’ll be used for is most likely just to cause issues that they could’ve caused on their main account and they will most likely not get serious on that account in the group.
For example, if we have an individual in a group that spent a month or two climbing the ranks (like in a war clan) cause issues consistently they can just be blacklisted from the group. Tell me what would motivate this person to create a new account just to a) harass the group (they won’t be taken seriously and will be treated like just another alternate account) or b) advance in the group again after they lost everything.
If those are seriously the reasons why we aren’t making this a thing (because they can just make an alternate account and continue) then I guess bans on ROBLOX in general are worthless to do because of the same reason. We know this is very much false, why would I want to continue on a new account if I just lost my account permanently with all these cool items, games, … etc. If I make alts to spam the forums, then epic I’ll just get another ban and my spam wiped away (like you can already do in groups by exiling with deleting the comments of the user).
Sure, we’ll have outliers – we always do, but most people will quit at that.
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I agree with @Polymorphic. People can just make alternate accounts in any game, that doesn’t mean banning people is meaningless.
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Their main account sitting in the no-privilege rank has the same effect as banning them. They can’t do anything to harm the group.
Neither does banning
So, what you’re saying is that banning won’t help with alts, but it’s useful because it prevents them from getting serious with the group? After losing everything I imagine that’d be deterrent enough to prevent them from ever trying to get their rank back again.
Nothing likely would. Taking away their rank already took care of that. You wouldn’t need to ban their account (only exile them and take away their rank) because like you said they’re not going to want to advance in the group again after losing everything.
Bans are more effective on ROBLOX because peoples’ items, places, friends, etc are at stake when they lose an account. Banning someone takes away all they have. With groups, exiling has the same effect.
- Groups should be able to ban users from them
- Groups shouldn’t be able to ban users from them
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A poll is stupid and nonconstructive. We’ve already been over that this is an annoying problem and that everyone is desperate for a solution, even if it doesn’t work. Wanting group banning en masse doesn’t make it any less of a pipe dream.
Calm down, it was just a poll.
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with obvious intentions of “proving” that bans work
using your logic we might as well stop banning anyone from anything because “they could just come back on an alt!!” Apply this to the main Roblox site, does it really make any sense then? We don’t see mods going around saying “welp this bully will just rejoin on an alternate account so why bother banning him.” Similarly, it’s pretty silly to say the same about groups.
Allowing groups to ban people entirely at the very least adds several steps to the process of rejoining the group for most people since they’ll have to create an alt to get back in (since it’s probably a safe assumption that most people don’t have alts.) Those extra steps act as a pretty good deterrent to errant children looking to rejoin to cause havoc (“eh, I don’t care enough to go and waste time making an extra account for this”) , and some kids may not even know that you can do that.
Additionally, this serves as a deterrent to people to start causing trouble in the first place knowing that they won’t be able to participate in the group using their account of choice since they’d be booted on that account entirely without hope of sneaking back in.
On top of all this, it’s silly to force groups to jump through a bunch of hoops by creating an in-game replacement to a feature that should’ve just been added to the system originally.
This is a pretty obvious improvement for groups and I’m honestly surprised that this has turned into such a huge argument.
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I already explained that on the ROBLOX site it has effect because you’re taking away their items, places, friends, and everything they’ve built up on that account. Exiling is all that’s needed to accomplish the same thing for groups. You should also recognize how ineffective banning has been at keeping account thieves off of the site where people like AlexCrowns continually make more accounts each time one gets banned. Banning on ROBLOX is effective because it takes away everything a person has and demotivates them so it’s worth it, but just like group banning it’s not very good at keeping people off the site, which is the whole point of group banning.
The people who continually harass your group aren’t going to be deterred by one account being banned. If someone loses motivation so easily then just exiling them would have sufficed. If exiling them doesn’t work, they want to continually rejoin your group to wreak havoc, and they’re not going to care about creating another account.
Everyone who’s made an account on ROBLOX once can do it again.
Because wishful thinkers refuse to recognize that group banning is a pipe dream and isn’t going to solve what you want it so solve. The general opinion of people who want group banning is “this should be a feature by default! We shouldn’t have to jump through any hoops!”, but no feature like that exists. You can’t automagically stop harassers over the Internet.
Considering most of the people banned from the groups I manage are people involved in the community or have an interest in it but are just generally obnoxious, locking them out of the group on their main account would both (a) ruin their reputation and keep them from coming back to fix it (especially since they’d be banned on any new account if they associated themselves with the banned account) and (b) hinder their interaction with the community. Your example of an extreme edge-case like AlexCrowns is quite frankly irrelevant, as we’d be dealing with children with attitude problems more often than dbags hellbent on ruining everyone’s lives.
The more effort they have to put into causing the trouble, the quicker they’ll get bored. And again, this doesn’t apply to run-of-the-mill children with attitude problems.
Considering the valid reason you gave for this not working was that it wouldn’t work on edge cases, your claim that it won’t solve anything is pretty far-fetched. This would absolutely make the lives of group owners far easier, and considering my own experience with groups and the large amount of group owners bringing this up I’m more inclined to believe them.
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Then don’t promote them to a rank that can post
What part of “annoying problem that people are desperate for a solution for even if it doesn’t work” isn’t clicking
Why yes, rearrange the way the group works entirely because of a few idiots that I could easily take care of by banning, thusly causing a crapton of extra work.
Brilliant!
You’ve latched onto one problem so minor in the grand scheme of the entire proposal and declared that it nullifies the entire idea. Then you tried to play it off by making the rest of the people who have experience with this problem look like they’re jumping to conclusions or they’re clueless. I’m not the one who’s having an issue understanding this.
Again, based on my own experience with the issue and the corroboration of this experience by other group managers this would in fact make our lives easier.
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Obviously it’d be great if we could have both a simple web-based ban feature and an in-game group ranking API to manage this problem.
Chances are we’d probably only get one, though. Limited development time for the web team and all. And if we get one, the web team probably wouldn’t be adding the other option for a long time.
That’s why it would be better to ask for the group ranking API over the simplistic ban feature. Group ranking API provides more benefits, opens up more possibilities, and covers more situations than just a ban feature. If we could only have one, the API is the better option.
The API also has the benefit of mitigating some spam before it even has a chance to start, rather than requiring you to deal with it after the fact. New members who are tempted to spam your group may be immediately put off by the ranking requirement that you have in your game. Legitimate members who care about your group should have no problem fulfilling the requirement.
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