You should clarify in your topic that you are talking about introducing more minority interest-building programs to Roblox as a whole (not just the forum).
Further, since that seems to be what you want, this doesn’t really fit in this category since this category is just for the forum.
The appeal of Roblox is very high, especially in second and third world countries, where Western $60 games don’t adjust the price for their currencies, and they can’t get programming lessons as easily. Roblox is free, which attracts players from all over the world, and it gives people the opportunity to make a game who would never have that opportunity anywhere else. That’s a lot of appeal, especially in second and third world countries, where $350 is worth a lot more than it is in the US.
I think a start is on the forums, as where most of this happens is central to here. Where else would diversity inclusion programs be most effective? It’s to, in the end, encourage more diverse voices on the dev forum and in the end that will trickle down to more diverse games on the platform.
It fits the category just fine.
You really don’t make that clear in your topic, that’s why you’re getting a lot of responses from people missing the point. You should edit your topic and propose what you’re suggesting for the forum more clearly separated from the rest of your justification for it and requests for Roblox.
I totally agree that ROBLOX is the one of the most accessible platforms to learn game development, I just simply believe ROBLOX can do more by including diversity inclusion programs to help further the community. Read my post for information on how it benefits in general, as well my last linked article in the OP.
I believe I have my information clearly stated. My goal is clearly stated. It is IMPLIED that these are for the forum in the end. The developer forum is more than just about the posts, it’s about the culture and how that impacts the platform of games made.
And once again, one of the best things about the forum is its culture–your demographics aren’t relevant as long as you make good posts. Anyone who expresses discriminatory ideas gets clowned on hard.
You seem to fail to see the bigger issue. Individual explicit discriminatory practices are highly looked down upon, but what about those which are built into current practices knowingly or unknowingly which are often invisible to most. Implicit bias is an invisible issue. Read the part of my post about algorithms again with that in mind. Perhaps the link would be helpful to look at as well?
I read it, and I responded to it. The algorithms are purely statistics-based, so there’s no room for bias. You haven’t yet provided a single example of actual implicit bias, and you’ve continued to ignore my previous points. I highly recommend you read my previous replies over again, but for now I’m done replying as we’re going around in circles.
Ive given plenty of examples of implicit bias and how it eventually reaches places like this. Algorithms being statistics based does not mean its not biased. Statistics can always have some form of bias within them. I stated its possible that the devforum’s system currently prefers those who fit a certain mold that is influenced from outside implicit biases, such as from schools and other institutions or lack there of. Completely confused on how on my part this is circular.
Simply put - no, there is no current bias and it won’t reach here. Racial profiling is practically nonexistent for hiring developers.
Please quote them in a new reply.
Are you able to confirm that the devforum statistics have some kind of bias. Literally, the ticket to membership is reading a set amount of topics and replies. No bias at all. If necessary I can register an alt to show you.
Do you have a source for this as well.
How are you to say there is no bias? On what credit have you reached that conclusion. Never stated there’s racial profiling also. I stated that there should be encouragement of diversity inclusion and that current systems in place for the Developer Forum possibly help in discouraging.
How are you to say there is bias? On what credit have you reached that conclusion?
To clarify what @sjr04 said, there is no ‘mold’ for devforum membership - simply statistics. If you read enough topics and posts, you will be promoted to a member on the forums. You aren’t promoted based on your vocabulary usage, grammar mistakes, or ability to articulate your thoughts - things that those who have access to higher education might be more capable of.
For promotion to regular, you really just have to consistently produce posts and topics of good quality. There is no ‘mold’ that can be shaped based on “outside implicit biases”…obey the rules and be helpful and you’ll succeed.
As mentioned above, there is no way to track people’s ethnicity, gender, etc. You can remain 100% anonymous behind your avatar - there is literally no way that you could possibly be less inclusive to a group of people you can’t quantify.
There is currently no data on demographics of the dev forum, so I can not answer. I never stated there is a clear majority, but that there is a possible discouragement of minorities to join the community from the infiltration of biases in algorithmic processes in recruitment.
The metrics used, such as dev forum stats, can easily be biased towards groups of people who are privileged, such as encouragement to look into topics based on outside implicit biases. Algorithms grow and learn as such. I have no clear idea of how the developer forum exactly runs their system. Clarity on how they do would be extremely helpful. Basically as an example, those who already are being encouraged through their classroom from implicit bias are going to be more likely to be on here looking for information on lets say, coding. Those who are left not encouraged are going to be left disadvantaged by the algorithm possibly being influenced by the majority of its data being from those with an advantage. ROBLOX encouraging a diversity inclusion program to help fight implicit bias and looking into their algorithms is a start.
I’ll find a few articles on this to explain further if you need and update the reply.
So, if I’m understanding you…this entire topic is purely conjectural? You’re addressing a so-called “issue of diversity” that you have no evidence of or logical reasoning behind? You’re simply stating that there could possibly be an issue of diversity, not that there likely is one or is one at all.
If that’s the case, as it seems to be, I really don’t see much of a point in continuing this discussion. We have provided ample evidence supporting the existence of diversity on this platform, and your evidence is, as I said, purely conjectural.
But they are not biased, stop repeating yourself as if they were. There is no algorithm. There is an exact requirement for how many topics and replies to read. I won’t share them here so to not give anyone any ideas but that is how it works.
It’s that simple. I don’t know what part is hard to understand.
Locking this since this discussion is simply going in circles, and people replying do not understand the topic.
OP has said their piece, if they want to clarify further they can edit their topic.
We’re going to unlock this again, however when posting please try to go over the previous responses and Like instead of posting if someone has already brought up arguments that are comparable to what you’re trying to post. This helps against circular discussion and reduces frustrations on both sides in general. Bandwagoning or repeating arguments isn’t productive discussion behavior.