Hard-line, logically speaking, I am not being extreme in my defense of the hard-line logic.
The solution can be reached using a new system to totally avoid posts modifications. A secondary title eventually corrected which permits to topic to be found with the original name or the corrected name too, this will avoid these discussion. So basically like a button that shows âCorrect version of post.â (like translatings in some pages of internet.)
Thatâs not feasible to implement and would require major modifications of the forum software, which DET/Sages clearly want to avoid for various reasons.
Yes, that is true, that will require double browsing for every of that topic, but else the best thing to do is modifying posts only if they contain heavy grammar errors, swears, or anything itâs not allowed in forum.
not really. basic housekeeping is necessary for building and maintaining a healthy community that encourages positive contributions.
edit: Iâm talking about minor stuff, like punctuation and tone â not major things like the message of the post.
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For what itâs worth, we try not to touch the actual content of threads in post approval. The process takes a lot longer because we have a back and forth with people, but we feel itâs important to have them do it â we are not you and thus cannot speak for you.
Occasionally we may alter the formatting of a post to follow the actual category guidelines or to fix spelling and grammar. These are semantic changes and should hopefully not matter too much. If you disagree with us doing that youâre absolutely welcome to ask us to not, though the process may take longer.
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I mean, I have nothing bad with your edit, but sometimes itâs like unnecessary a title edition.
About changing the title because of the grammar, i mean, yeah, i can say that my grammar is bad, and i said that some grammar mistakes must be changed, but some mistakes as i did (How do i make posts) shouldnât be forced to be edited.
Making longer posts gives a less quality of the title, title is a âsummaryâ of the main thread, i prefer keep short titles as making them long.
But some titles are changed with their liking, and itâs our decition (the post author) to make the change, in some circumstances as i said, or do i need to explain it again?
I am with Colbert here. If the post title was ambiguous (it was ambiguous, I saw it too) itâs best to edit it to clear up your intention.
No. They are not âunnecessaryâ. They do it when they need to. If they needed to, it was not unnecessary. I had a few titles edited by sages when I was a new member for some mistakes. I personally welcomed the edits. After all it was for the good. If they donât fix potentially misleading titles, who will.
I actually saw the title of this thread before it was edited; and I didnât click on it because I was under the assumption that it was a troll thread asking how to make posts on the DevForum.
So, editing posts to change phrasing actually does work. And it is important if youâre attempting to make your posts seen by other.
They should have a note saying that the post was edited by another user, however, it should not be a approval system. (The OP approves the text change or not.) The best example was what I just stated previously. If the author had declined the change to the title âHow do you make a post?â, then the misunderstanding of the post would remain.
You are allowed to re-edit your post after a change was made and then they wonât touch it again. Theyâve also said they try their best not to touch the body of the post and that you are not held accountable by staff for these changes. Allowing a small public notice that the change will remove the fear of users holding you accountable for these changes.
Roblox is not a public space, it is a private company. (From my understanding, correct me if Iâm wrong.) When agreeing to join a website/platform, etc, you also agree that the business is allowed to modify, edit or change what you publish to their website. The DevForumâs Terms of Service links to the normal Robloxâs Terms of Service, so Iâm assuming the agreement to use the DevForums is the same as you were to use the original websiteâs.
It is not absurd to ask that they add a small notice publicly saying what was edited so users are not confused. It is a bit absurd to me, to think that freedom of speech still applies to Roblox after you agreed to a legally biding contract by using their service. Youâve signed your freedom of speech over by agreeing not to talk about the list of things theyâve provide in their Roblox Community Rules. (As an example.) It is not impositions on your freedom of speech if you willingly signed that right away.
Youâve also agreed to the right to allow them to modify anything posted to their website ahead of time.
However, I still agree; there should be a system to notify other users publicly what changes were made. This should not be done through edit history, or if so have a public edit history (when a staff edits something) and a normal edit history (when a user edits their own post or private information is being hidden.)
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Donât edit your original post. Make a new reply. Otherwise it looks weird that I am replying to a constantly-updating post 50 replies ago.
Longer posts does NOT make it less quality!!! If not the complete opposite!!! Longer titles generally explain the issue in-detail. Which of these titles that I made up is clearer?
- How to give a player cash on kill?
- How do I give cash to a player that killed an enemy?
The problem with the first question is the same as yours; itâs ambiguous. Are you talking about when you die, or when you kill someone else?
The second question is much clearer, as it clearly states when to give cash.
Your post was ambiguous. Colbertâs intention was to eliminate said ambiguity.
TL;DR if longer means itâs clearer, GO FOR IT!
cc @colbert2677
I was lagging and editing the post at the same time, so editing the post as reply would be more efficient for me.
I guess you mean titles, well, i prefer read this:
How do i make a working helicopter.
Than
How do i make a flying helicopter and that the player can ride it.
I prefer short titles, so the user can read the title fast and get a faster reply.
That ambiguous title is not very confusing at all, because when you say âOn killâ, a player can easily understand itâs killing someone else, otherwise, the title would be like this:
âHow to give a player cash on deathâ
I mean, my grammar is not very very bad, but not very very good, so i donât think thatâs how my titles looks like.
No
Non-comparison. Helicopters are too specific. And the length of the title doesnât make the reply time shorter or faster. Need a better example?
- My script doesnât work?
- Why does my gun reload script fail to reload the gun when R is pressed?
The issue with the first title is that it is too general, 95% of the topics in scripting support resort to an issue about their script not working. But WHAT is not working? The second example better explains the issue.
What if a user wants exactly this, giving cash to a player for dying? As a âyou triedâ reward?
Yes
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I prefer use âMy reloading script system is not workingâ, which is giving specific and short information about the problem.
I mean, i already said it:
That should be a bad grammar example, that kind of titles should be edited without a ârequestâ, but titles like the one that i made âhow do i make postsâ should not.
I gotta start again i guess:
I already know what âAmbiguousâ means, the title that i made might be ambiguous, but when you see âHow do i make postsâ, i think most of the people will know what i mean with post, and most of the people might click to see about what the post is about, because as i said, itâs unnecessary a long title, with a short title is ok. And i will not change my preferences for the forum, because thatâs how i am, and that cannot be changed, and i shouldnât be forced, and there should be respect for that. Moderators shouldnât force users with some stuff (Changing the title with their liking) and thatâs what is also upsetting me. I still remember the day when i got like 4 replies reported and merged, and i got 4 notifications about that, which was awful. Itâs like changing the titles, without a specific reason, the moderator responded me with the reason of why the replies has been changed, and i understand. But thatâs not very frequent that moderators donât respond on that stuff, but in titles, never, we should ask why the title has been changed, and i donât want to make discussions with moderators. I guess there should be a way that moderators can set a reason of why the title has been changed. I must keep repeating everything of this?
The title is an opinion you have, but it misleads others because of a personal preference. Titles should be explained what the post is, it is not meant to make users not want to read it or click on it because you donât want to explain it.
If users spent all day clicking on titles because theyâre too vague because theyâre under the wrong assumption of what the post was, then there would be nobody posting. Because while people are wasting their time trying to find what theyâre looking for, people who could help you on the topic wouldnât click on it because itâs misleading. (Not always, most of the time.)
TL;DR doesnât hurt you to add a few extra words.
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I prefer to stop this discussion.
Titles are supposed to be something like a summary of the thread, otherwise, titles wouldnât exists.
Yes, exactly. That is my point.
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You have gone against your point and proved mine so I have no more to say on that topic.
Preferences can be wrong. Just because you like something doesnât make it right. There are guidelines you need to abide by. If clear titles are needed, then please do so.
Plus what if you make NSFW content because that is your âpreferenceâ? Canât really excuse that. That content is not allowed here. There is nothing to respect. You broke a rule that probably will get your forum permissions revoked. Access to write in the forums is a privilege, not a right.
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While I agree with your overall message, this is a slight wrong example to use. One is just adding a few extra words to a title while one is posting NSFW to a site that has minors. One also breaks the rule, one just breaks posting conduct.
Itâs wrong to make titles as short as possible, because itâs misleading users. Or itâs wasting a majority of userâs time. Users should not have to guess what your post is about because itâs a personal preference to keep them short.
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I canât see your point of your reply, what i see is that iâm wrong and i shouldnât make that kind of vague titles, because users will spend their day on reading the title because of the vague title and that stuff.
Titles are just a summary of the thread as i said, and i prefer keep that, as anything else, letâs make an example about youtube videos:
Roblox 2010 trailer: This is an example, well, imagine this kind of long titles Roblox 2010 trailer where you can build, fight and make friends!
I never said that i was proving that you were correct 
Why are you saying stuff that iâm not saying? I know that everybody is not correct, but sometimes i canât be wrong also.
I follow those guidelines, and most of my replies are with the guidelines, otherwise, i would say something different that iâm saying.
There are preferences which are accepted here and others not. My preferences are following the rules, if not, then those rules are not like bans. Your example is very exaggerated, and a bad example that I donât like at all.
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When you summarize something, as an example - a book. When you summaerize a book, you do not say âThe book is about the girl going to school.â You say âWhile on the way to school, Emily had gone on some fun adventures.â One is being vague, one is summarizing what the book is. You are being vague, you are not summarizing.
Edit: The example you provided is also not a summary, itâs extra words added.
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