Remove visible likes and take away all references to them from badges and user profiles

You got this wrong. This isn’t about removing likes completely but the number next to the heart i.e. this image

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Please see my mock-up. :slightly_smiling_face:

Here is my opinion on where like numbers should be visible:

  • Announcements: Not visible; many people rely on this section to get likes because of the high number of likes some posts get

  • Development Discussion: Should not be visible under any circumstances. This category is far too chaotic to have like numbers.

  • Help and Feedback categories: All subcategories except for Cool Creations should have like numbers visible. Like @Ty_Scripts mentioned, it is useful to see likes in these categories. Too many meme topics are created in Cool Creations for it to be appropriate to enable like numbers.

  • Bug Reports and Feature Requests: All replies and topics should have visible like numbers.

  • Forum Feedback: Should not be visible except for Forum Help for the same reason the help and feedback categories are visible.

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It’s how discourse is made, i don’t even see a big problem with it, you can just ignore it as well? not look at it at all?

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For a lot of the help and feedback sections of the forum, sometimes it is useful to have likes to indicate agreement. If I see a good answer on #help-and-feedback:scripting-support then I feel it is worth putting my like there to point others towards it, regardless if it is my post or someone else’s.

I feel the complexity of this gets in the way of solving the issues you describe

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I do agree with you. Likes shouldn’t be able to be visible on a user’s page but not on a post. There are various articles explaining why teenagers want to get likes. This problem is not just happening on Roblox Developer Forum. It is also happening on platforms such as YouTube. The only solution I can think of is to raise the number of characters allowed in each post or topic. A post, for example, can have more than 50 characters, whereas a Topic can have more than 150 characters. This can help prevent newer players from asking dumb questions during development discussions. However, deleting likes-related badges is also a smart idea. People must keep in mind that the Developer Forum is not a game. They are unable to cultivate likes in order to obtain a specific badge.

The problem is that other people take likes very seriously and do whatever they can to get likes, because they think that the DevForum is a social media platform when it really isn’t.

They do anything from posting memes to making meme topics just so they can get likes, which is why many of these feature requests were created. It’s hard to ignore these topics as someone who doesn’t care about likes.

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But this post isn’t about removing likes at all? It’s about hiding the numbers…

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You should consider, for other users’ convenience, to break down your post using details tags, not everyone has the attention span to read all that. I’d say I read about 75% of each paragraph. Also not sure what calling out individual users for “having a thing” for likes does, or calling them out for something unrelated as well (encouraging IP theft???) does.

Also, the link at the bottom leads to a 404.

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I would recommend reading Fallen’s post 3 more times.

Also, why are you attacking someone who has little to nothing to do with this post other than liking people’s responses here?

I strongly appreciate your constructive feedback.

You mentioned several times that “they are doing it for attention, not likes”. I do acknowledge that they do it for attention but I believe like numbers are a motivating factor and removing the like numbers will decrease the motivation of posting a meme topic. This is why I made my feature request about punishing users who encourage meme topics, because I also think that people make these topics for attention.

Removing like numbers won’t solve the entire problem of people misusing the DevForum, but it will remove a motivating factor for creating them.

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I dont think removing how many likes entirely should be a max to show like what discord does with notifications. If you reach 9 or more likes maybe it should just be 9+ :heart: or something to indicate that the topic or replie was useful.

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Hey I am sorry it took a while, but now that i’ve read it all i will do my best to discuss this without taking it too personal (like mentioning unrelated joke channels) since users who are not/were not in those channels won’t understand.

re: likes and badges

Yes, likes can give a post value. Yes, in my opinion like-based badges should be disabled. That would include admired. I’d talk about an issue with that badge, but it is unfortunately too specific that it might be considered a call out, and it would be obvious, therefore I will not mention it.

Ideally the like number should not be shown to the end user, and the forum can automatically sort topic replies based on the internal like count, so the “best” replies according to the community are shown first, think Q%A sites like stack overflow, or for a more Roblox-based one, scripting helpers. Of course, users should be able to read in chronological order, so there could be a button or user setting somewhere to determine the sort order of replies.

re: view count

I agree with the hiding views! Also when you think of the average forum user, it is unlikely that they will be able to make a style/extension that brings those stats back. Not trying to put anyone down, as I wouldn’t be able to either, but just saying. And if someone does end up doing it, they have to somehow promote their style/extension, fortunately the dev forum does not have a place for that, so any attempts could easily get taken down.

re: elitism

Regarding elitist-like topics, I don’t think it’s the fault of the users that may be involved in this. I don’t know a way of saying this in English, but you were trying to learn Spanish anyway, so you could say the forum los ilusionó. The forum was once a place for only the most prestigious of developers, but once these users get more experience, and the forum becomes more open, they realize forum access isn’t as exciting. This doesn’t mean that the forum should go back to an elitist state, but the now more experienced users want the forum to keep users who disregard forum etiquette out. Adding onto the “sorting replies by internal like count” point, professional content discovery was an issue pointed out in buildthomas’ “target audience forum” topic, so this could help with that. #help-and-feedback topics also generally don’t get enough replies to warrant the “summarize” button.

re: change of heart

Also regarding the changing opinion, it is absolutely possible and valid for someone to change their mind on a certain subject, especially within months, or “be shown the light”. I’m not really describing this topic in particular as one that “showed me the light” but when I examine things a second, third or even fourth time, I understand them better, and should be allowed to form a better opinion on my thoughts.

re: misinterpretations of your post

And regarding the misinterpretation for call outs, I absolutely know why it was misinterpreted that way. You are implying that because a user may extensively use a feature, that it will objectively be the end of the world for them if said feature is removed. There is obviously more to it, but it is more personal and therefore off topic and will confuse users who aren’t/weren’t in this group of users.

i’m also quite interested in the context of how ip theft was encouraged, unless you’re referring to an inside joke regarding the forking of certain open-source projects :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyways I believe I covered what I needed to, if you think I missed something let me know! I think it is healthy that everyone understands each other.

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