Add #Riot & Petitions category

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In the last times, Roblox has done a lot of updates that MANY Developers disliked. Won’t talk about regular playerbase, because this not affects them that much.
This leads me to the needs of image category.
There’s a lot of times when NEGATIVE updates get SILENCED - staff is afraid of posting further, because it:

  1. Knows that replying at least Once will make people shark that Poor Single Message with replies with tons of questions and Further Complaints.
  2. Clarifying something is against Roblox true mind.
  3. Talking about something is disallowed by Roblox.
    • Sometimes, staff replies for the sake of reply itself, without needed info clarification. Latest example of that is new Premium payouts system - Roblox has adressed some questions which were asked by 1-2 people, instead of those which were asked by 20-30 people.

But that’s definitely NOT the best way to negotiate issues. Silencing everything and not listening to reasoned Developer Feedback makes Roblox overally worse. Some people may give good alternative solutions to problems, some can give another form of valuable Feedback. But why in the world that all needed if you know that OP will just not read it, or ignore with no sign of attention? None.

There’s some exceptions, like Next-gen-explorer, Next-gen-studio, TextChatService (there’s ofc more), which is disliked by a lot of developers, but Roblox Staff responds consistenly on that issues and tries to fix them. Rare gem situations where our FEEDBACK matters and improvements can occur - explorer slowly gets fixed (still bad but that won’t be discussed here), TextChatService is much better now than it used to be. But even in this scenarios, a lot of people (including me) complain. Why? Because we have Habit of doing that here - ISSUE unresolved - complain. Issue partially resolved - complain, but less. This has repeated too many times for us to act diffirently.

This all raises situation where developers feel not just unheard, but Blatantly IGNORED, and this makes them GO to other platforms, like Unity, Godot, and other. Ofc, Roblox Can live with the current already popular games. But not listening to anyone and pushing a lot of issues, will make it to the moment where only this small range of games will be updated and live, and nothing other will be available, because people got tired of that. Result is death of the platform. Am I wrong?

Impact of creation such category will be not just big, Giant - on one side, developers will have a space where they can discuss why some features are bad, how to fix it/make better, but at the same time can overload Roblox, be a place where people can build together a big valid point of why issue is Issue and not “phew” thing. But knowing some people on the forum, this can degrade and turn into another memeland, just overally turn toxic to staff, and just making riots at the any slightly disliked change, because it’s "not what @Developer3442 wants >=[ ".

Overally intention of this suggesstion is ability to talk why something should be not implemented, making specific changes and updates LOUD and not silenced. Roblox should be responsible for what IT’S and it’s staff is doing.
Talking about that in the Development Discussion will get it closed due to some rule pseudobreaking without proper reasoning, with further redirection to Roblox Support which will say:

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Yes, I had more questions. That was answer about why my post was closed some time ago:
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Ok.

That’s all for now, Thanks for reading.
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Hm, I appreciate this post, it’s an interesting and original idea. Can’t commit to it atm but thank you for voicing it.

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We’ll definitely consider ways to improve this kind of communication so creators have a voice.

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Let’s say this is made. We’ll now have 2 spaces for feedback: Comments under an update post and posts made under this new feedback category.

Then there’s 2 spaces that will have to be looked at if staff decided to actually take feedback into consideration. If they do, that’s great, but it’s unnecessary as they can just look into the comments of that update post.

If they then decide “No more feedback under our update posts, bring it to the new section”, it’s turning into an echo chamber situation where all that feedback is most likely being ignored and update post comments are all full of positivity and no negativity. Keep in mind that, again, staff would then have to ACTIVELY check under this new feedback section, and we know how that will go.

If there’s a ton of critique and issues being raised in the comments of an update post, then staff needs to dedicate the time and energy into looking at what the feedback is and respond accordingly. I don’t see a reason for this category at all, it just seems like useless space overall.

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The latest announcement had 65 likes and 1000 replies in under six hours, got triple ratiod in likes by the first post, and still has no staff response from what I can see. Whatever they’re doing, it isn’t being done right.

Allowing the community a space to create petitions for change on the forum honestly sounds like a great idea and sounds like it would reduce spam of “I hate this update!!!” significantly.

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while i’m all for getting staff to actually step the hell up and do something this may actually make the problem worse, they can just straight up ignore the whole category and consider these sorts of posts outside there to be off-topic which is… not ideal to say the least

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Creating petitions doesn’t mean anything, though? I can create a petition on any issue and have people sign it, that doesn’t mean it’ll be acknowledged or change will occur because of the signatures.

Again, it just seems like staff should recognize feedback they receive and respond accordingly in the update post rather than keeping all of that feedback in a separate area that has no guarantee it’ll be monitored actively.

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Just from the name alone I can tell that the category will be far from civil and will attract the worst offenders from the forum to use as an outlet to post whatever their heart desires, from memes to adult content (usually being automated moderation failures).

There is already a place to post your negative feedback which is the announcements posts. I have never, not even once had been ever moderated for it. For the ones that did get moderated, it’s very likely that they were repeating what 100 other people already stated, or posted something irrelevant like memes.

Besides that, I do not believe that adding a dedicated category to dumping negative feedback will make Roblox more likely to respond if they are already refraining from doing so in the announcements where riot already took place.

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I like the idea but PLEASE don’t name it that. If someone showed up to the DevForum and saw a name like that… oh man.

Yes, please do. I think that the underutilized feedback surveys Feedback Requests > Survey Requests could be more populated with, for example, feedback options for recent updates and new features, especially in the long-term.

You suggest that there’s a moderator that’s “high off something” and expect them to go lightly. Ironic?

The moderators have to do a lot of work every day, even with the canned responses. Roblox should definitely work on making this process easier, or to make it extremely cost-effective, by, for example, powering the DevForum moderation using AI*.

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If certain mods want to remove me and my friends @pyxfluff posts voicing problems with newer updates then yeah I’m not exactly sorry for saying, hyperbolically, I could use whatever made them decide on that decision.

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I never thought the moderators would remove posts like that because of how inefficient it would be. The sheer number of posts that voice problems is astounding. Are you telling me that they’re seriously wasting their time moderating those posts?

You have a good point, and considerably, yes, I could potentially see them being, well, sort of intoxicated.

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This seems a bit too harsh, but I do have an idea.

Adding a feedback and Polls channel could probably help

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While this thread feels like ragebait, I definitely feel there needs to be a place to voice negative feedback (in a constructive way) for updates that are poorly received.

Friends being renamed to Connections, Premium Payout reworks or Cloud Places are all good recent examples where this would’ve be useful.

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I think the words ‘Riot’ is a bit violent and overdramatic, but great idea, I hope this will go forward

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Week passed, time for me to reply.

Thanks for reading and leaving comment about that. Thought that it will be instadeleted. We definitely need to have a way communicate with Roblox. Thank You.

If staff will listen and reply to what developers said under Updates > Announcements post, then no petition post will be created in most cases - because it’s just not needed. For cases when they do nothing, image post will remind them that it’s not good to leave bad things unanswered or ignored. In the case of not listening further, community will either silence it itself because tired, or make it even louder.

This category shouldn’t be moderationless - it should have some rules too. If it contains bad words towards announcement - that’s ok, but if it just hate towards something undefined - it should be moderated.
Overally, new set of rules needs to be added specifically to it.

Depends on the degree of message “negativity” and moderator feelings.

Raising issues further should help. We need to take some actions against that. During my devlife I have seen only 1 instance when developers were able to cancel Roblox update - when they were updating TOS regarding avatar items use in games. All other were passed with ignorance or singular response message.

There’s just no better name for this. I have tried to do my best to reflect what I need in the name of this category - give negative feedback, suggest thing to alter in updates.

Not bad idea. But in the case of it naming such neutrally, it should somehow be said that this category is important and not just another Development Discussion

I wish it was just ragebait, but nope, it’s real.

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#updates-feedback is therefore an option.
platform-feedback potentially.

But I do agree with the idea of petitions being included in the category name.

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The word “Riot” actively promotes and encourages negative behaviour, it is not a good name. Category names should be neutral so that people aren’t skewed towards hate. Imagine Feature Requests was named “Feature Demands”. All of a sudden it becomes a place of hostility instead of collaborative discussion.

Categories shouldn’t have emphasized naming solely because “it’s too important”. A category is as important as the things that are inside it, they aren’t entitled to that.

Words like “feedback” or “suggestions” would work much better.

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Bumping this but naming it Petitions would be for the best if it was added.

Even if it was added though, I have serious doubts they would ever actually reply to them unless it was “in their interest”. If the top post was something like “improve moderation” or “revert the renaming of friends” they would most likely never do anything about it, or in many such feature requests like this or some reported issues in moderation, reply a single time saying “mm yes thats a good idea” or “we’ll bring this up to the xyz team” and then never follow up on it.

It’s quite a consistent behavior and it can be seriously annoying. The only time I see a lot of active involvement in replies from them is in somewhat easy to fix bug reports, or bug reports that are effecting their top earning games, where they’ll continuously provide updates to the issue as its being resolved or asking for more information in order to resolve it.

This would be a nice feature, but as the nature of the issue is “Roblox won’t listen”, something tells me, Roblox won’t listen.
(please prove me wrong)

An even better approach would be for petitions with a certain minimum votes to make their way into a sort of roadmap for development, encouraging the people working on Roblox to actually tackle them one at a time, or at the very least reply to them as to why not. Each one of these roadmap petitions being clickable and displaying the actual work done by the staff towards that issue as a large list of some kind, so players know what’s actually going on.
This would also provide a healthy amount of pressure on Roblox to work on long standing issues the community actually wants, as a large petition, with no recent history of it being worked on, would bring to light a lot of what has been ignored, and would hopefully push them to actually do something.

Anyways! Mild rant, my bad! Decent suggestion! As others have stated Riot would be too aggressive though, it incites conflict just by the name.

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This aged horribly.

Honestly I’m not for Roblox having a place to isolate discussions on certain ongoing topics.

If such topics affect developers, which they usually do, they should be allowed in Development discussion.

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I thought that the Development Discussion category was meant for developers to discuss about development, not Roblox as a whole. This category is probably still needed.

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