Clarification on code flagged for safety review

Okay, time for another big post.

Roblox moderation is terrible to the point that devs have to get independent moderation for their own games. This same moderation is what’s committing these egregious breaches of privacy for developers. Until the entire moderation pipeline relating to this policy is open and clear to every developer, this policy should not be enforced. Not only is it an egregious breach of industry standard, even for children’s games, black box moderation policies in this particular sector are only harmful to the platform. I can see keeping the chat filter nebulous, and can see the reasoning behind automated moderation (Even when it false-positives otherwise intolerably often) on publicly visible assets.

The sad thing is, most devs will just lay down and take any changes Roblox pushes without doing anything. Right now I recognize that part of the outrage is due to lack of information (which roblox is notorious for on the moderation front) and that should honestly be their first step towards resolving this. However, devs also need to stand up for themselves and, particularly, organize to better get their points across to Roblox regarding any issues we see. Right now, Roblox is leveraging our utter disorganization and distrust of each other to make us pushovers for highly questionable policies.

We need to stop being so susceptible to accepting these changes by actually getting to a state where we can conduct these discussions civilly and diplomatically. If Roblox thinks they’ll get shouted down by the devs, they’ll just wait for the devs to get tired and give up, from the looks of things.

Also,

There were several top contributors and community sages that did not brush off this policy. That said, I do believe more “successful” developers are more okay with this because they already receive great leeway in the otherwise tyrannical moderation system, gaining incredibly improved response times and clarity.

That said, I believe that this overstep is a wonderful time for Roblox to start making their machinations less black-boxy and more transparent and positive, particularly where it counts (particularly in moderation, which lags behind in transparency significantly compared to both other platforms’ customer service and moderation as well as transparency standards set by the other parts of the platform). The team working on the core engine do this spectacularly already and have pushed out a continual streak of purely positive changes, and doing this across the board where possible as well as providing better tools so developers can know if they are compliant beforehand would be a certain step in the right direction.

I will, however, persist in that this policy should not be enforced until the above has been completed.

The last thing we need is more stuff to get stressed about in the present time.

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Eh, yeah, you a little too late for that. @ReverbAnnoucer already got falsley-terminated for making an extra-chat filter so I suppose that it is already enforced as he DID get terminated already. Also from what I’ve heard there is a second person who has been terminated but I’m not 100% sure. Roblox just kept this quiet for the past 2 weeks or so.

But I highly agree with the “Devs should stand up” because for this update we really should. 1.2K+ negative replies is probably gonna change their mind.

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Hey developers,

We hear you and we’re working on sorting through all of your feedback. We’re actively working on a response to remove ambiguity and clear up confusion around this topic.

Thanks for your patience,
Developer Relations

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Good luck with that. :grimacing:

Please lock this thread! Nothing is on topic anymore! Anything on topic has been said in 300 different ways by now. There’s no need for another 1000 replies of the same thing + spam.

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Glad to see that there’s an official followup about clearing this questionable policy up, even though it might be a bit late.

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This thread is a dumpster fire, and anything that needs to be said already has been said. It should be locked until the response is posted.

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No. A topic doesn’t have to be locked simply because it is controversial. It should be locked if the majority of posts (made by many people) are spam and/or attacks. There were some spam here, but it was made by 1 person that I am not willing to rule out. In that case, it shouldn’t be locked.

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This topic is hopelessly just the same information repeated 500 ways. If that doesn’t make the point across to people at Roblox HQ then I don’t know what will.

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Yeah, to be fair, you have 1.2k+ negative replies. I literally didn’t read a single reply saying that this is a good update with no problems. Also about 10% of this topic is off-topic. Honestly, nobody wants this update.

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This thread has 1.3k replies, and after around reply 500 or so the replies descend into an incomprehensible mess.

Also, since I haven’t voiced my opinion on this yet, I don’t see the big issue. Humans will only look at your code if it is flagged for having particularly inappropriate terms, and if you do not write these terms in your code it will likely never be seen by a moderator. Also, their automated scanning does not follow the same filter as the chat filter… it is a more defined and concise filter to ensure that there are less false positives.

Furthermore, this isn’t a new change, and Roblox has been checking scripts for at least a few months now. This thread was to alert developers that it is actually being enforced, but the rule itself isn’t new at all.

To keep it short: don’t put bad words in code and you won’t have a problem.

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The reason for this negativity is because the majority of us slightly-strongly disagree on this new system. These posts may be negative, but at least they aren’t turning into flame wars.

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I understand how the roblox team is trying to keep roblox safe. But this is not appreciated by most of us, we want to keep our code private. How are we going to trust the moderation, even if they’re roblox staff. It’s just a waste of time on these new moderation, you could go and actually look at reports of other players made because of toxic players harassing/bullying them.

There are still tons and tons of inappropriate games, lot’s of toxic players that bullies other people and who knows what else, you could’ve made something about that instead of wasting time and reading codes.

There are A LOT of developers under stress and these updates are making it harder for them.

I’m just saying, I might quit after all, along with the other developers.

I’m now paranoid of this, I’m paranoid and scared of making codes.

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So what your saying is make extra-chat filters impossible?

Well you really can’t make an extra-chat filter without using them. (Bypassed ones)

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If you absolutely have to make a custom filter, refer to the original post:

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Yep, it’s best to let this rest. They’re gonna read every post and think of a solution.

Our role is done for now, everything that you can think of has been said, lets see what happens next.

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Each response after 24 hours, including mine has resorted to OT. The original post wasn’t directed at moderation, it was regarding the new policy that was in place. Never once did it specify that it was up for discussion, it was only an informational post.

Our voices have been heard so our OT posts no longer need to exist on this thread. It’s redundant spam that contributes no value to the topic itself.

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I’m just going to say this, developers stood up for once, we said that we didn’t want it. Chances are that Roblox will listen to us. I agree with @orangewarrior78, we did our job, we showed our Negative Feedback. But I think that we lowered the chances of this being added by a solid 60% with our feedback.

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I would like to shorten this thread into one post. Obervse.

I do not like people looking at my code;
I have confidential information in my code, I do not like people looking at that.
I do not like you did not tell us for this long
I sometime swear in my code, please don’t ban me
I want removed. Roblox bad, I’m gone
I don’t know what you’re doing with my code, leaky leaks bad.
I have bad stuff in my code and I don’t want no bans

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Whew. That’s a relief. Now everyone needs to chill out long enough to let them sort through things, okay?

And then we still need to organize a bit more than a bunch of headless chickens in an apocalypse.

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railworks, you also missed “we have no idea what exactly you’re doing so me no likey” among other things

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