After the "Update to Developer Forum Entry Process" the "hate" towards all "New members" have been growing rapidly. In this thread, I will try to explain why you should not blame the "New Members" as a group, but realize that only certain people causes issues. To tell you what I am talking about I should talk a little bit about myself as a "New Member". I have been a “New” member of this forum for a year, I attended RDC EU in 2018 and it was my life’s experience. “Why is that relevant?” you might ask. I am not the only person that have been here for a while but still fall under the group “New Member”. With this update all “New Members”, including myself get a “cold behavior” from full members. This is not the solution! Do not blame us (the “New Members”) as a group for what a few people do wrong. Some of the “New Members” should not be here, and they make major mistakes. However, that is far from everyone. Being a “New Member” should not be something to be ashamed of at all. Instead of showing “hate” towards us, you should just flag the thread or post and give us a chance. Not all “New Members” are as bad as you think.
This post is quite generalised towards both parties and I believe it’s quite unnecessary.
Everyone should know to follow the community guidelines of the forum. It goes without saying that existing members should guide the New Members if they are having trouble or unsure of something.
If you see an instance of an individual displaying a hateful attitude towards a new member you should flag it to raise it to the attention of staff and let them deal with it, as this behaviour is not tolerated.
I feel that out of the amount of members who’ve joined through the new process we like to highlight the ones that the system got wrong, rather than the members who’ve contributed very well to the forum and its community. I am one of the new members and I personally think that the system is good as the time of applications used to be unbearable and many think this is the way to go.
But it depends (as I mentioned in a previous thread) it depends what opinion or standpoint you’re looking at the system from. And that changes person to person.
Overall, I feel that yes ‘new members’ are sometimes a bit over antagonised but we for the most parts are good well behaved members of the Forum community and we shouldn’t judge the group as a whole from a few imposers, this is advice we can take into our real lives as well.
Anyway, I hope this helps!
Lolphobia
Helpful advice from existing members that intend to correct any mistakes new members make should not be considered a personal attack or an attempt to “antagonize” them. For example if somebody is attempting to guide a new member to post in the correct category in the future, it is for their benefit and also to ensure the forum stays organized and is utilised as intended. I think the issue here is that new members are taking things the wrong way.
I think I can vouch for everyone when I say that we don’t hate new members, a number of us just find it troublesome how new participants on the Devforum most often behave improperly. Not inappropriate behavior, but things like making threads asking how to get a group tag next to your name for the dozenth time, or perhaps posting in a thread just to say “hi [favorite dev]!”.
If anything, it’s more so the unexperienced forum-goers than those labelled as New Members that have been drawing subtle ire recently. A lot of New Members are in fact aware of how things work around here, and I personally feel indifferent towards them in comparison to everyone else.
Well what I’m referring too is that sometimes ‘new members’ are used as scapegoats for faults in the system. That’s what I’m referring too when I say antagonised.
As a new member I personally do not find this the case. I myself have not done anything wrong, but when seeing posts that other new members have done incorrectly I have not found any member here to be rude, or judgemental. Instead they just provide information on what they should have done.
The new system has definitely raised concerns from the “older developers” which is arguably justified, but whatever the case I don’t feel new members are being targeted in any hateful way.
Despite being a new member, I don’t really like the new system. I would’ve much preferred to submit an application and wait longer. I’m quite serious and experienced in my field, but I also do feel like people generalize too much.
And the hate on new members? I don’t really blame them though… Reading posts that aren’t even proper topics annoys me.
I rarely see anyone being disagreed with simply due to them being a new member. The low entry requirements cause inherent lower quality and less experience than full members looking at the roles as groups, therefore new members are much more likely to be doing things wrong and misunderstanding things than full members are. I was a ‘Basic User’ for a few weeks, and I’m completely happy now with the messages, PMs and even disagreements I received then, it’s important to realise that there is a reason people may disagree with you, or tell you you’re doing something wrong, and it will help you in the long run if you listen to them.
I do agree that there are some people whose goal to was just get in the forums regardless of if they are developers. However, users like me have been on the site nearly a decade (wow thats so werid to say) and have worked on front-page games, massive projects, and have been in need of acess to these forums for years. The application process was so flawed it could not possible keep up with the explosion of Roblox development.
On the other hand, I understand how the current members must feel. They feel a bit betrayed by the new system when they worked so hard/waited so long to get in.
I have had a great response from the Dev Forum community thus far, and have only recieved “shade” from one individual out of the many I’ve come into contact with. I think the important thing to do is not focus on what others think, and just try to be relevant and helpful on the forums. Those in charge will weed out who should and shouldn’t be here.
I remember when you received an email with the following statement:
"We have reviewed your sample portfolio and found your work to be very impressive. So impressive that we’d love to have you join the Developer Forum community!‘’.
This was a sign that you were part of something big and that you had involvement as a member.
What it takes now doesn’t require a lot of effort and the satisfaction of an accomplishment isn’t there anymore.
Because it was never intended to be an achievement. It used to be considered such for its exclusiveness, and that has been changed over time as it was not the intention. It should also be noted that when it was truly exclusive they didn’t do applications, which predates that quoted message.
This forum is not meant to make anyone special, it’s meant to provide anyone who needs it with community support and to bring staff and players a way to interact.
True, but at the same time I think there should be a way to ensure that the people who are getting in are “need it” to assure the quality of the forums stay relatively high.
I personally benefited from the new system, but I just would hate to see the quality of the overall forum slowly Or rapidly dissipate because of the new method.
Pretty much, what if someone applies to become a New Member and winds up doing something bad to the point that literally everyone, including non-developer forum members, hates all of the New Members? This can wind up being an issue, but can be easily fixed.
There’s a lot of new members who have never opened studio before and just do art work and make sound so that is why a lot of us were disappointed Roblox let so many people in.
I mean, I don’t touch anything in studio besides getting maps and characters. For my UI designs, I do everything solely in PhotoShop and then have the scripter import it and etc. I don’t think not using studio shouldn’t be a characteristic of a new member. Some proper development jobs don’t require studio??
Although I agree with you that the new system isn’t good at filtering new members, it’s a big generalization to say that people who don’t use studio aren’t actual developers.
I think it’s just a good practice to not treat people differently or specially based on merit or status (or lack thereof).
giving people a patronizing or critical attitude solely because they have a new member tag is clearly not good, just like assuming someone has special skills or are somehow better solely do to experience or join date is not good either.
I disagree with the hate. I have been on the forums since it started, and for the most part the community has been professional. Although it does worry me that this forum is starting to lose its “exclusiveness”, which may cause some bias against the newer members.