A time out isn’t going to stop any trollers. They are already ignoring their feedback messages, coming back after temporary suspensions, and continuing their nonsense.
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If their only intent is to troll, with time they will be removed from the platform. But 95% do not make a account and go through the effort to become a member just to troll and be banned. Most making “troll” posts aren’t as aware of the Forum rules or misjudge the relevance of their thread, but that doesn’t mean they should be banned for it at the first offence.
And how long will that be? Because if your a smart troll you can avoid moderation for quite some time.
So by that logic, I could say that a shoplifter didn’t know the laws, or didn’t know that what they did would be found out, thus they don’t deserve any punishment except a slap on the face. Does that make sense?
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I can’t say as it depends on the post and will vary from incident to incident. But let’s say you make a troll post, get suspended a few days, come back, and break the rule again. Depending on how severe the second one is it can be a instant ban or another suspension.
You can’t compare breaking the obscure rule of a internet video game platform to breaking the law. XD I’m assuming most of these troll posts are in Development Discussion, if that’s the case the rules of the category is a bit vague. All it says is “development related” topics so that can be interpreted in so many ways, you don’t really know sometimes till you post it and get flagged.
But let’s say we go with your example of breaking the law. If someone shoplifts, depending on the law it could be a month in jail (let’s make this up I don’t want to look this all up). Your not going to get life in prison for shoplifting. That’s basically what’s being suggested in this thread.
Your logic does not make sense. If you commit murder even for the first time, chances are you are going to prison for life. Sorry, but trolling will never and should never be tolerated on the devforum.
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What I’m saying is the punishment has to fit the crime. A permanent ban is not appropriate for a first time troller. ROBLOX acknowledges this which is why this is not the immediate punishment for a first time offense.
Then what is? If their intent was to troll in the first place, they should be removed completely for disregarding forum rules and etiquette, especially since they know they are trolling for the sole purpose of punishment.
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Warning, several days suspension. AKA what it is right now is appropriate.
Clearly what is in place now doesn’t work, if it did, we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now.
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Banning users doesn’t solve anything. If your talking about preventing troll posts, you need to be considering other measures like a exam of rules, etc. What your suggesting is disciplinary action, which only helps after it’s happened.
Surely the trollers already know that what they’re posting isn’t allowed on the forum in the first place, pretty sure that’s what trollers are supposed to do
If you are referring to people who unknowingly post without malicious intent, then that is a different story.
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That’s the issue, you can’t distinguish who’s doing it knowingly and unknowingly and enforcing a permanent ban policy on all of them regardless doesn’t help.
So let’s say one post is spamming racial slurs and another is asking for support from Roblox staff on their account which was recently compromised. What’s the difference?
I agree, except in the case of blatant trolling. I think a one year posting ban will allow users to mature without permanently locking them out of a valuable resource. For minor rule breaking posts (didn’t research before posting/obvious duplicate posts, using the development discussion area for a lounge, etc) there needs to be more enforcement, but much smaller penalties. I think a lot of the issues come from different users that see and learn from others that it is okay and normal to post haphazardly. But that’s another matter off topic to this thread.
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That not everyone’s allowed to use…
And the regulars don’t really use it. The regulars don’t usually feel compelled to go off topic on the development forum.
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It isn’t made clear enough and that is what the OP is talking about. The action given to trollers is minor, so they don’t learn from that mistake. This causes troll posts too be more frequent on here. Trolling should have a immediate ban that could be appealed if their case stands strong. I really don’t know why you are semi-supporting trollers since they know what they are doing and that it isn’t allowed. Sometimes you just have to give a hard punishment to straighten up something.
I don’t see the point of arguing with false information. It isn’t very convincing.
I’m not defending trolling by any means so don’t put words in my mouth. What I’ve been saying over and over is the punishment has to match the crime. Trolling is bad, yes, that’s why it has the second highest punishment possible (suspension) but it isn’t instant ban worthy. Trolling is a very vague word that can be used to describe so many things, I can see a lot of false bans if a change like this is made.
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I see many complaining about the ineffectiveness of moderation, so yeah… I can see people disagreeing with this part.
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I agree with the general sentiment expressed here but I’ve also seen people being taken as “trolling” for showing their first time doing something when they had no intention of trolling. Do they deserved to be permanently suspended?
Not a troll post.
Yeah? A troll post because it’s surreal? Alright, let’s ban futuristic games because it’s not realistic.
Exactly the point then.
Three-strike system doesn’t seem to work right now; as when they are suspended for a few days they just get bored and go to another alt before their time is up. It’s sad what happened to the Frozen guy-I’m pretty sure his account got “hacked into” somehow.
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