Getting the CFrame of a Tool's Handle without using the Handle itself with grip?

Is it possible to get the exact CFrame of the Handle of a tool Without Using the Handle Itself?

for R15 Characters i Got that the default CFrame of a tools Handle is The CFrame of the Right Hand *,-1,5,0) * CFrame.Angles(0,-90,0) but it is possible to get the CFrame of a tools with a Grip?