I cant get a screengui to show through another gui?

I looked around the mass of Zindex questions but they didnt help produce a solution.
I have two ScreenGuis. one is a label with points, the other is the main menu.
below shows the points label underneath the menu:
I need the points label to be able to show above the menu so players can check their points.
the menu must cover the screen so there’s no way to put it around the menu.
any solutions to this simplistic problem? I tried making zindex and layout order higher than the menu but it seems to have done nothing.

The ZIndex property just changes the order of GuiObjects parented to the same ScreenGui, to change the display order of multiple ScreenGui’s you should use the DisplayOrder property of the ScreenGui.