I think that purchase is the way to go
If it was some small business I would understand that it would be not fair if they had to buy something twice but Roblox is a big corporation so they have money to buy it and it’s probably not very expensive, that’s 1 second sound after all
I’ve checked it in Windows version and same thing, it’s an mp3
only wav is bass.wav file that I thought is deleted
I personally do not think Tommy deserves anything after the way he’s bashed the platform on social media the past few weeks. Even if he did want to pursue legal action, Roblox could easily stomp this whole thing out by dragging this out in court and helping him accumulate tons of legal fees until he can’t afford it any longer.
Now, if this is true and you bought the sound copyright free, then shouldn’t that mean that Tommy’s game (if he made it, maybe just helped) “Messiah”'s oof sound also was bought from the same website, unless he made the sound
The thing is HE made the sound and I don’t think it’s even copyrighted (so it could be on this stock CD-ROM) because Tommy fails in showing copyright claims so… if it’s not copyrighted they can use it
Edit. never mind it is copyrighted
This is mere documentation of what I could gather, and some from what @Mariofly5 could gather, and is in no way meant to personally attack Tommy Tallarico or anyone related to him.
First thing I can notice here is the fact that Correspondence is misspelt,
Another thing that makes me really suspicious is the fact that none of the dates in his contract match:
I’ve never seen a contract made after your work be applied before you started working, might happen, but there’s also this that makes me even more suspicious:
You might say: “What is wrong with the company’s name? That’s normal, it’s to represent how the company is going to be refferenced!”
And here I have the answer:
(I left this one fullscreen)
The company name isn’t “Shiny Entertainment, Inc” It is “ShinEy Entertainment, Inc” according to copyright catalog. Also something I wish to point out, Messiah is copyrighted as a computer program AND audiovisual material.
Another point made by @GeorgeOfAIITrades
I just want to add, look how different the formatting is on an ACTUAL US Copyright Office Correspondence.
It’s “Correspondence ID” not “Correspondance ID No.”
Just so much wrong with Tommy’s version of this, so it’s very likely he’s faking that he “registered” it.
Attached image:
Credit to the original tweet https://twitter.com/GeorgeTheDev/status/1216743830340456448
So could it be Tommy doesn’t own the OOF sound at all? I’d doubt he’d lie about something now when he could of lied about it a year ago, or several years ago, heck, even a decade ago.
All of this is hurting my brain just thinking about it.
I’m not affirming he is lying in no way, I’m just pointing out things that do not make sense in my opinion.
Also, the copyright contract he posted is FAKE. The contract doesn’t look like a actual copyright contract at all, as I have made one for my work too.
Does this mean that Tommy is faking that he owns the oof sound because he wants to make Roblox look bad?
All of what you just said is entirely incorrect assuming what Roblox has said is correct (which its extremely unlikely Roblox would lie to us because they’d be risking even more legal trouble by doing so not to mention their reputation in the community would be ruined). I’m apt to believe what Roblox has said here, not to say I don’t believe what Tommy has said. (The rumor that Roblox purchased the audio off of an illegal site is entirely impossible to prove nor is it realistic. No game developer would decide “oh hey I’m going to buy my game audio off of an illegal site so I can get into trouble later”)
Roblox claims they purchased the audio on CD. Tommy may have made the audio, but he never registered it in any copyright systems and it was impossible to see if the audio was copyright free. Roblox really has broken no laws as I said above.
(Note: As stated in a reply below copyright registration is apparently not required. Thanks @sncplay42 for correcting me.)
Additionally, the contract does not pertain to Roblox. If the audio was released as copyright free audio by Shiny Entertainment, Shiny breached this contract and Roblox is not responsible for the audio usage.
Again, no side has really done anything particularly wrong to be fair. I don’t necessarily agree with some of Tommy’s responses, however, I understand the reasoning for his perception of what happened and I don’t really hold anything against him.
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Both of these are easy to dismiss due to how copyright works. This isn’t how copyright really works in the US (where Roblox is based). If you want to protect your copyrighted material you must register it. (See reply below. Thanks @sncplay42 for correcting me!) Tommy produced the audio for Shiny Entertainment, therefore Shiny Entertainment may have licensed this audio out as copyright free audio. The contract, as I have previously said, does not change anything. If anything it shows that Shiny Entertainment has breached the contract. This does not state that Tommy owns the copyright nor does it state that Roblox is in the wrong.
That video has gotten a lot of information incorrect from what I can tell and it’s basing it’s info off of implausible rumors. It’s somewhat biased with its wording and it seems to be based on a lot of rumors. That doesn’t hold up very well in my opinion.
Additionally, I mostly agree with both sides here. Tommy isn’t really in the wrong for being upset nor has Roblox done anything unlawful.
Sort of yes, and sort of no. The third party (Shiny Entertainment) appears to be almost entirely if not fully responsible as Roblox had no way of verifying that the sound was uncopyrighted. It’s simply impossible to say Roblox has broken copyright laws and to be fair, nobody intends to break copyright laws when they start a game. I don’t see Tommy winning a court battle because there’s just not enough evidence to say Roblox knew they were using a copyrighted sound.
By doing that, Roblox would be essentially confirming Tommy’s accusations. I’m also pretty sure Tommy was asking for a pretty large amount of money, definitely more money than a half second sound is worth.
Now everything is pointing towards being in Roblox’s favor rather than Tommy’s. I now completely understand why Roblox decided not to buy the sound or the copyright to it.
Is it now confirmed that the sound is not copyrighted, or how it was licensed to the CD or something? How do we know that Roblox is most likely in the clear?
As far as I’m aware, we don’t currently have solid proof that the sound has been registered with the copyright office; the evidence that Tommy gave is controversial due to some suspicious spelling errors and formatting inconsistencies. We also don’t know for sure about whether the sound was licensed out to any CD, though there is speculation that the sound may be on this CD produced by Tommy himself with tens of thousands of sound effects on it.
We don’t at this stage; we don’t have the crucial details, and I don’t suspect we will have them until either the community finds them or Roblox takes Tommy to court. It’s really a question of whether you trust Roblox is being honest.
to be honest i dont care about anything else, i just want the oof sound, and thats all
the new oof sounds don’t really sound that great right now and roblox would kinda loose something iconic ; a piece of history that hasn’t changed for years
I honestly wanted Roblox to be in the right here, but the more and more I look into it and the more research I do, the stranger it seems. It’s starting to feel like a situation where neither party is in the right and both made major mistakes.
Wow roblox, I am impressed. After 5 years of hate, good stuff, you have finally talked. Maybe next time make roblox all UGC, maybe UGC will make new logo or new name?
I was actually confused about this drama happening… Thanks for clearing this up.