Oh my god! That is some good analysis right there 
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I’m still quite shocked by this situation. I never really thought of Roblox potentially getting into court in any way at all. This whole thing is a mess honestly…
I hope that this problem can be resolved quickly!
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this has zero to do with roblox and should be 100% handled between him and the people who sold the liscensed CD
I get roblox doesn’t want to go to court just to clean sweep this guy’s money (Who is, without question or doubt, 100% in the wrong) just to retain rights to a stupid little sound.
But idk. Just seems silly.
I get it’s a bit unfair he gets nothing out of his sound becoming so famous- I just don’t think the onus is on Roblox to give him money for becoming a meme. If he wanted royalties fair and square he would be getting them if he handled his stuff correctly instead of being really weird.
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No, I say it would be invalidated due to the claimant of the Copyright not being Shiney itself, but it being Shiny. Also for that seems like it was SHINEY afterall, but in 2003 they changed the company name to SHINY, if you search in the copyright catalog for Shiny Entertainment, you’ll find out that it copyrighted in 2003 in the same location as Shiney, and then they also copyrighted Messiah(as a document(?)) so, if the document was created before the 2000s it shouldn’t have Shiny, but it should have Shiney.
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So, I’m just gonna drop some knowledge for everyone that’s been following this case, as it seems a lot of people have been running with my series of tweets trying to get to the bottom of everything going on. Some people have just used my tweets as a talking point to start with, and others have flipped it 180 and went the wrong direction.
Tommy, made this tweet, with a picture that is to be used as “Proof” that he’s registered the copyright of the Oof (or in his case, Uuhhh, as it was named in Messiah) sound file. The reason why Tommy NEEDS to register his copyright, is NOT because he doesn’t "currently own the copyright. At this point, the Owner of the Oof/Uuhh (from here out, I will only refer to it as Oof) is up for some line of debate. Tommy is right that once something is created, so is the copyright for that item, and owner is whoever created it. Tommy needs to register the copyright for the sake of going to court. If your copyright is NOT REGISTERED, it cannot be established in court, and therefore he has no lawsuit.
However, here’s a few things to note about his “Submission Form” as he’s claiming it.
So, going over a few bullet points here:
- What is this excerpt cut from?
- Why is there no US Copyright Office crest on the page?
- Why is Correspondence spelled wrong?
- Why is the format of things wrong compared to examples?
- Why is the Case No. (something that will be public domain anyways) crossed out?
Now, let’s break down what I think versus what I’m being told by Tommy.
- Tommy claims this is something his team submitted to the Copyright Office.
- I believe this isn’t true, because:
– Why would it have a USCO Header on it?
– Why would it have a Correspondence ID?
— - Correspondence IDs are something the USCO office uses as a form of book keeping so they know if a Copyright Request has been processed or not. They have the ability to go through everything they’ve ever mailed out, to make sure they know exactly what they said / didn’t say to someone submitting a copyright claim. Tommy’s Team would not put one of these on their own submission.
- Why is there no US Copyright Office Crest on the page?
- This is how something from the USCO, like the letter appears to claim to be, should look like:
3/4. Well, there’s a bit more than just Correspondence being mis-spelled now…
Correspondence is spelled like so. Correspondance is not an “alternative” spelling. It’s a common mis-spelling, but that does NOT, mean that it’s an alternative. And as we can see, on a REAL letter from the USCO, they spell it right.
But not only do they spell it right. They also call it a “Correspondence ID” not a “Correspondence ID No.” meaning not only the spelling from the letter is wrong, the whole format is wrong.
- Well, there can only be 1 explanation
- It’s a dead lie. The document is a falsification. It’s the only reason he’d want to block out the case number.
Now, here’s time for my bold claim on the whole situation.
Tommy is currently being directed by one of the two following initiatives:
A. Tommy has no claim to this copyright, and his Attorney that he loves to claim is the best in the world, realizes this, and is telling Tommy to make as much noise as possible to try and get Roblox to just pay to get rid of him.
B. Tommy has no attorney, or a really awful one, because if Tommy had any real claim, the attorney would just explain how they’ll win in the court room not on Twitter.
I think he’s going for the A, and it really tells in his tweets. He is constantly talking how much he doesn’t want to go to court, and it’s likely because he has no claim.
But hey, that’s just a theory. A Twitter Theory. Thanks for reading.
Oh, and on one last note, even if Tommy somehow wins this, he’s already lost, at least in the eyes of many. He has lost the respect of many young minds who will one day take over his role in the game development community. It’s quite sad to think someone with such a stature as his, has resorted to telling off children from the ages of 8 to 14 as apart of his case against Roblox, but, that’s just the way it goes, I suppose.
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Does not people not seeing what is going? Is folk that blind that they can’t even see that post is full of lies? Roblox here is trying to get people to believe that they didn’t steal it! You got it from a CD-ROM with licensed, free royalty music? That’s okay, but the creator of the of that CD-ROM may just have stolen it, the sold it, then got Roblox to buy it, and now this is happen. Even if Roblox loses this (because they may do, because KreekCraft got loyal proof and is gonna be there under the court) they still have to pay like between x3 - x10 more than they could have done if they just bought that sound. I’m on Tommy’s side.
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Seems very odd that it’s a misspelling on every copyright declaration they have, even having the company name registered as SHINEY
And considering the actual name Shiny was registered years after.
Even so, the simple fact of a misspelling would make the entry invalid, right? I mean since there’s supposedly no Shiney Entertainment.
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I’ve got results from 1994 here
EDIT: screenshot because the search tool puts session IDs in the URL #govermentWebsite
This is the copyright office’s site. Wasn’t that search result just created by the misspelling on the registration for Messiah?
I don’t know, would it? What are we even arguing now, that Shiny/“Shiney”'s copyright registration for Messiah is invalid? That has nothing to do with whether the sound effect has a valid copyright by Tommy.
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No. He has enough proof of him, own the sound effect.
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Nobody is denying he made the sound, however it is unclear who legally owns the sound.
There is varying evidence and many complications— ranging from Tommy’s activity on Twitter, to the fraudulent nature of his copyright registration.
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I don’t know, would it? What are we even arguing now, that Shiny/“Shiney”'s copyright registration for Messiah is invalid? That has nothing to do with whether the sound effect has a valid copyright by Tommy.
If the company name is actually Shiney, that makes his entire contract invalid(which could still be invalid because there’s only proof it exists, not that it’s signed.)
And just the way he’s handling this situation is very sketchy, he’s now always on twitter or doing interviews about it, always ready for the next one. Censoring Correspondence ID was also really suspicious and if it was a document made by his “lawyer”, they would know that there’s no point to censor it.
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This really wouldn’t be too hard to do with some money and infrastructure behind,
Many other corporations already implement similar systems using AI learning to stop copies in their tracks even if somewhat altered to throw them of the scent.
And roblox’s can’t even tell when two images are the same?
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Roblox already employ this on a level when it comes to moderation. Infact, under the Fairplay Alliance, I believe they’ve opened up their Image Recognition Software for use. The only reason why they aren’t using it under moderation, is the heavy toll it’ll have on the system. Let’s be real here, there are likely over 10 million shirts and pants (probably more) and if it still takes time for Roblox to go through normal moderation on current items, it’s going to take exceptionally longer to not only locate UGC but also establish whether its a copy or not.
There’s also the issue of establishing what the original maker of shirt or pants were, as if this wasn’t checked, you could end up where the original maker’s copy gets taken down and another individuals is still up. There’s a lot more that goes into the system, than just analysing an image.
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It’s not that new. It’s over a day old at this point, and has been torn to shreds.
It’s the “United States Copyright Office.”
They wouldn’t use French.
See more here
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Ooooh i just saw it today and i didn’t know that it’s already a 1 day old post 
And about the correspondence thingy:
- some peeps replied to his tweet because of that and his answer was:
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Roblox is a super fun place for your free time and the “oof” brings us many memories and grace when we start playing roblox for the first time. I wish David the best so they can get out of this situation as quickly as possible.
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If you see my reply above I actually showed how that whole image is fake. It’s a screenshot taken on (most likely) Windows and the characters underneath the red markout are just underscores. That’s because it’s not a real document and Tommy knows that.
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I think he was saying that just because. He says after that it was a spelling error.
Additionally @DrMelonblox_YT, the image of the “copyright registration” document, like I said, is definitely not real (I have proof of this above).
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