Hello, as you can tell I am Cinema and I wanted to give some feedback. Back in the day, being on here was considered cool and swag. I originally joined because of those reasons (we all did right?) and because of trouble with my lack of socialising. I hate giving sob stories but my family turned into a tornado. Anyway, I remember when I got accepted. It was nice, and within about a few months I started to dislike it more and more. I took a break because of my Grandma having cancer (she survived :)!) and it was a nice break off the forums. I remember on my first few days, I didnât feel welcomed at all. We need this to be an actual nice place which developers can resort to without being shouted at by another person. Now, some group of devs just want to get their stats up and not actually help. I know this is impossible but can we at least make it a bit more welcoming and just overall nicers than some idiots saying âYOU ARE WRONG BLAH BLAH BLAH GIMME COMMUNITY SAGE NOWâ. I see lots of under 18âs wanting help and some user replies with âIDIOT DONT USE THAT USE THISâ Bottom line is: Can we get more people to stop being idiots and get on with life. Treat people how you would like to be treated. I wouldnât of taken a break if the DevForum was a nicer place.
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EDIT: Thereâs been a new wave of new members and the quality of replies has dropped very significantly. Some are using âurâ or âplsâ when they can clearly speak fluent English. This Forum needs massive revamps!
Great topic and all, but I want to go over somethingâs you said that donât sound correct to me!:
Congratulations!
This really donsent happen often, itâs just only sometimes, people most of the time follow rules and donât start chewing people out for no reason, so Iâm going to have to disagree with that.
Honestly, Iâve never seen someone say something like that before, but if you could, can you link to a post like that so I could see what you mean? Same thing goes for:
I mean, Iâve seen this. But when Iâve seen it, no one was mean about it. Iâve seen like: hey, you should use person 1âs script because it has a better, easier to read code.
Also,
Well I donât know if this was before you break, but right now, people are fine, no one is screaming at each other, everyone is being kind. People are accepting others etc. And calling people a idiot would just anger them more.
Yes, but not much people just random post anymore, most people actually help out people, just look at people helping in #help-and-feedback:scripting-support !!
You definitely hit the nail on the head. I feel like forums were more of a relaxed thing back then, you could mainly do whatever in a post without getting âjudgedâ. Nowadays I guess rules are just more enforced and people take the forums way more serious than they did in the past.
Those are clearly exaggerations, although the same principles apply. I keep seeing people go around (sometimes being overly aggressive) to people who have just joined. The community sage thing was a exaggerated point from @Quenty 's post about people just saying that some want to rank up.
The last few lines was before the break and I sometimes see it now. If people could give friendly feedback the the OP would appreciated it much more than being shouted at for a few lines.
I ultimately see your point (which is good!) but I just wanted to state something I would of never thought of when I was really new (mainly because I would of thought of being seen as an atrocious figure)
I do agree that replies get a bit toxic sometimes. The most annoying thing I run into is when I find perfectly acceptable posts removed. One of my feedback posts on someoneâs posts was flagged as spam and a moderator even messaged me to tell me that spam is against the rules.
It doesnât make sense to me why stuff like âI found this very useful and itâs well writtenâ to be spam.
One thing I run into in Scripting Support a TON is new users getting very poor or misleading answers. And people who ask complicated questions sometimes get answers like âYou canât do that but you should do this thing that doesnât achieve the same resultâ when itâs entirely possible.
When I ask an open ended question on here Iâm not expecting to get redirected to some other thing based on the assumption of what Iâm trying to do. Iâm expecting to get an answer of âyes this is possible, hereâs how even if the solution is overcomplicated.â Maybe throw in a suggestion or two if you feel like it.
I think that some users misunderstand what the forum is actually about and sometimes and get way too cocky when making their replies.
Well I donât know how to without remotely targetting users. Or others tracing.
Being shouted at as a really new member is the worst feeling. I can recall myself. But you want to be criticise without being overall aggressive as such.
I see lots of under 18âs wanting help and some user replies with âIDIOT DONT USE THAT USE THISâ
This is actually very true, i canât tell you how many times i scroll through the forum and see replies completely irrelevant to the actual original post that are literally just there to tell someone (who was trying to help) how they are incorrect with the âmy way is betterâ mentality.
Now, some group of devs just want to get their stats up and not actually help.
100%, Again, a quick look over the forum and the crazy amount of low quality replies is stunning. People just trying to farm their stats. Personally these people mean nothing to me, I usually just flag the effortless posts and get on with it. Every forum has these types people.
I think the main problem on the forum currently Isnât it being a nice place or not, its a very nice place. However, the amount of people that just try to flex what they know can make it less desirable. A lot of people also take stuff VERY personally here. Usually taking someone disagreeing with them as an insult to their intelligence, which in return often hurts the younger people with big egos that just want to prove themselves in front of their peers.
Honestly, in my opinion, I am currently here just to obtain more information about scripting and stuff, there is no point in ranking up that high anyways. Itâs vanity. Not always true to representation of skillful, but just an indication of experience.
Most of the times I have been reading the posts, there are sometimes incomprehensible posts and I do understand these people are looking for assistance. Sometimes even too incomprehensible that it is hardly written as what they think.
Of course, this is the colors of ranks, where backlashes are clearly shown. Some people just strive for a higher status with the purpose of âelitismâ.
Do I expect rank-ups? No, I rather keep working and helping, than putting my absolute focus on the goal.
In the other hand, the replies I have read recently are a mess from the new members. Sometimes I find unexpected replies where they are the perfect examples of DONâT(s).
Sometimes, the best way to get criticism through is being mean about it, and thatâs not what I was trying to do in my original post, but I was just explaining my POV to you.
Sometimes being mean is not something easy to do for new people. You could instead explain in a more simplified perspective or a more general aspect of it rather than going too much through the unfamiliar jargon with them.
If the former solution did not explain well enough, try an example.
You can be vague but i think its important to give examples of what you see. Some people might be able to relate is my point, especially when it comes to topics like this. Whether they were the person being mean or the person being replied to.
"To be honest as you said in topic your buildings doesnt really make you âexperienced Builderâ, same USM1960 map looks really awful, not changed for years. Improving portfolio would be need in my opinion".
" The percents you have listed are way too low. They donât make much sense either. Why does the Scripter and Animator receive the same percent?
The fact your percents are so low makes this quite funny.
> If you will choose two roles, you will be not be paid double, because prices are already high. Prices are not negotiable.
If someone is doing two jobs, then they deserve both the percents combined. Was you planning on only receiving 15% though?"
Those are some, Iâll edit the post to keep you updated. (Pretty scared to post that)
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