My group Clever Wizard Entertainment was stolen in a high level acquisition scam involving 'Whale Pay' discord escrow and verified user @azuremammal92

I can vouch that this post is true, I have also been a victim to the same scammer. They ran through a very similar script as they did here, operating as a game purchasing group and leveraging a high value Roblox account as well as other groups they have acquired through this scam to build their credibility.

Game I lost to this scam: Horse Plinko Tycoon 🐎🎲 - Roblox

Roblox’s lack of support for these kinds of situations is very devastating. By my estimates, this scammer has made several hundred thousand to a few million Robux off this scam from compromised groups. Roblox seems to currently not have any way to handle these kinds of situations which allows awful situations like this to happen, resulting in several games which supported many small developers to be compromised. It’s even worse seeing him get verified, when he scammed me his account was not verified at the time and seeing him gain that status is horrible to see.

There are very few resources on how to handle these kinds of situations as a developer. The most support Roblox provides from this is along the lines of “sorry, we can’t fix this, shouldn’t have gotten scammed :/” which is very frustrating. Previously my game was a major source of income for me and to loose it like this with no support from Roblox on being able to recover from this is just awful. I have tried contacting Roblox’s support through the support form, but since the communications happen over Discord they say they can’t do anything about it.

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You should report this person to their nation’s law enforcement. They won’t get you your game back, because that’s a civil matter, but they can certainly prosecute them.

To get your game back you’d probably need to revindicate, through a civil court. As it seems to me, you’re the owner, and a third party has taken unlawful possession of your property. Ownership is the most encompassing right, and allows you to revindicate your property. Since the other party failed to perform, there was no agreement, and thus ownership never transferred. The only thing that transferred was the immediate possession; you used to be owner & holder, now you are owner not holder.

In any case, you should certainly take this as a lesson

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Roblox has already announced that there is little they can do when a user is scammed in an off-platform transaction. They will likely not do anything in this case.

The only viable course of action is for you to hire an attorney and follow their advice. This is not a dispute between you and Roblox, it is a dispute between you and the other party in your agreement.

I do not understand your resistance to this. You are out over $100,000 dollars. You need a lawyer.

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Yes, we’d likely have our attorney try to contact Roblox attorneys to explore our options on if we can get ownership restored on Roblox as the asset stolen is on Roblox and the buyer is using a verified Roblox account to obtain assets on Roblox through offsite fraud.

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Would it be possible to have multiple parties involved? I know a few other people who have also gotten their game stolen.

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If any Roblox officials can see this and take action I’d highly appreciate it, my group Clever Wizard Entertainment made about 4-5k USD per month and very consistently for the past year and a half with 12 months of no updates, valued at 200k USD realistically. We would like ownership back.

We spent a year of our lives developing this game, and just released our first big update after 12 months when it got stolen in an elaborate acquisition scam. This was how we paid our bills, and while we can stay afloat for a little while we’ll need to create a new game to support our overhead now, or get another job.

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Safe Seal has just rebranded as “Whale Pay”. Watch out people.

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Have you managed to retrieve the group, any updates on the situation?

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YOU MADE THAT GAME??? i love it so much, and i’m so sorry you lost it…

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I have not gotten my group back, but I remain in contact with azuremammal92, they are scamming more groups and taking more games and they don’t intend on stopping. He’s even changed his name to @CoffeeInLondon and lost his verified badge.

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Our studio was also stolen without help from ROBLOX. Very sad but there’s nothing you can really do if it’s off-platform. Although I’ve been weighing the costs of taking legal action

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Was it Azure Ventures that took your group?

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yup! I am one of the founders of Silverlyte and our group + game was stolen

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i got contacted by the same users about a month ago trying to buy one of my games
something felt really off about them so i got one of my staff members to troll them for about a week ;-;

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Did roblox or the scammer recover the group?

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I just filed another ticket with Roblox, let’s see if this helps!

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I wish I had seen this earlier, but better late than never. The user in question has already changed their login name (5) times since you posted about it. If the two parties are in the same country, you might have a shot at it with a lawyer. If you are both outside of the USA, don’t expect to be about to recover from this. Money issues aside, if you want to convince Roblox to return ownership of your account, you are going to need to file a “hacked account” ticket. Since you technically didn’t get any money (to be honest), you can probably get away with the “hacked” part since it would be no different than any other trade/account scam in Roblox.
If all else fails, if you have a backup of the game and all it’s resources, republish under a new or slightly different name and be sure to let your community know the game was stolen so they can stop playing, down vote the old stolen one, etc.

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Yes, Thanks for your response! I just filed a hacked ticket and attempted to get a rollback. We’ll see what happens!
We’re not in the same country I’m in the USA, azuremammal92 is in the UK. Also we do have the same version of the most recent place in a saved file, however publishing a new game that’s an exact copy could be easily taken down under copyright claim. We filed 4 tickets for scamming, and got the same auto generated response.

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That’s true in the technical sense, but that means the other “party” has to provide their “real” legal name and address. That might be your way in because if they refuse to provide that, they lose the claim. I’m not saying that you need to play “dirty” to win this, but the other party sure didn’t play fair. :worried:

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