Sounds pretty good, even if its not a badge but something else
I’m not sure why impersonation is an issue? The devforum shouldn’t be a status symbol, it’s an extremely valuable resource for developers.
Why do other people need to know if you’re a member? They can look up your account here and check your privilege level if it’s something they need to verify.
I still see no benefit to this.
It’s a pointless status symbol.
“Impersonation” is a bogus claim because you don’t have any power by being in this forum. It isn’t like being an administrator. The important thing about this forum is exclusively within the forum.
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It’s not what the devforums are in reality, but what other people think of them, that is the problem, namely through social engineering. In a game, items were traded by dropping them and letting other players pick them up. This was scam-prone, so I never wanted to be the first to give up my items. In a trade with someone, we couldn’t agree on who would go first, so I told him “I’m a devforum member, so I’m not going to scam you”. That convinced him and he gave me his items first. If I was actually a scammer, that would have been a successful social engineering attempt.
If players actually did this then there’d be no need to enforce ROBLOX’s “don’t impersonate staff” rule. The concept of research is generally foreign to children.
Over time I’ve stopped feeling sympathy for people who get scammed this way, and IMO it’s their fault for being idiots that they got scammed, but the request for RBXDev badges was never about status or privilege.
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This.
This doesn’t convince me we need a badge.
This convinces me we need to change the existing social status about this forum.
That should never have been an issue in the first place, especially considering the trade system exists, and your existence in this forum should not have been a reason for anyone to trust you.
I’m not saying you’re in the wrong for using it that way, but the fact that you can is a problem.
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Making it so being a member of the forum isn’t a reason for people to trust you is also a solution, but I have no idea how you’d go about educating users effectively. We’ve never been able to successfully educate users to stop falling for obvious scams, so I don’t see how we could do it in this case either.
You’re telling me we need badges so you can prove you’re trustworthy in games? That has absolutely nothing to do with the devforums.
See, here’s the issue.
If a badge like this were to exist, instantly everyone would try to get into this forum just for that badge.
I like the fact that the only prize for being in this forum is being a part of a community of developers and people who want to achieve greatness on this platform.
No one should try to get into this forum because it makes them special in the eyes of the rest of the community. And no where in our vetting process for this forum do we prove you’ll live up to your word in an in-game trade, so it isn’t actually useful for that situation.
Let alone the fact that there would almost certainly be hundreds of instances of players lying about being in the forum and the other user believing them regardless of the badge.
There will always be people claiming to be “builderman’s child.” We can’t stop that. We also can’t stop people claiming to be special developer forum members.
I think our main issue here is you see the main problem being people getting scammed because they believe members of this forum are special and outstanding members of the community. I see the main issue here as being this community really is special, and giving people a badge for being in it will lead to ruining this amazing privilege we all share.
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I never suggested the badge would be a solution in my previous two posts.
Post #1: “You misunderstand the request. Here’s the extent of the problem”
Post #2: “That is a solution, but how would you achieve it?”
And the example I provided was just that: an example. Social engineering can take place in many more avenues than games. Most common is likely PMs via PM bots.
Devforum badges are ridiculous. Literally no one else does this. We already tolerate way too much on these forums that would never fly on something like the Xbox dev forums.
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I don’t disagree that there would be instances where having this badge is the solution to the problem.
But very few instances.
And I believe the badge only adds a thousand times more problems than solutions.
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No one cares about your status. No one cares about you. Just appreciate the fact you are in these forums because you are seen as an important resource to the community.
Adding a badge is basically begging for people to abuse it.
It’s not about us having a special status.
It’s that others make our status seem special and abuse the fact that no one can really check who is and isn’t a member. And it’s not just little kids falling for the “I’m rbxdev” scams.
A little while ago, I had another person contact me that they’ve been conned into giving out places he’s made to someone who claimed that he and an admin here were inviting them, and that all that was needed was the files to those places. And educating the users doesn’t really seem to work. People are still losing their robux, limiteds and even accounts to scams, and this is no different.
If there’s better ways to deal with these scams, great! But as far as I can see so far, having a publicly displayed badge on our profiles is the best way to go about it.
If they abuse it, they get kicked off the forum and have the badge removed. Simple.
How so? We already have people trying to get in just for the status, all this would do is make it impossible for a non-member to scam people by claiming to be a member here.
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Some of the debates I’m seeing against this don’t seem to have any grounds.
We can’t give badges because of game stealing because company Z doesn’t do it.
Well, nobody else anywhere else that I’ve seen has been doing this type of game stealing bs.
The problems are that it devalues being a member of this community.
A badge solves such a small number of these abuses. People will still find ways to trick others. There isn’t much that can be done to stop this.
The issue, again, is that this forum currently offers one special prize for its members, and that is the community. If we add a badge, then users who do not actually care to be a productive member of our community will have a reason to join and will do whatever they can to find their way in.
Even if we have the badge, we will still have users lying about it. We will still have users scamming other users.
I feel bad for the person who was conned into giving away their places. But a badge isn’t the best answer.
As long as the argument is “it will help stop scams!” there is no good argument for this badge. Scams will happen regardless of the badge.
Simple solution: check mark next to your name on the website or specifically just on your profile = shows you are a verified, trusted, and legitimate developer.
I don’t feel as if being added to the RBXDev forum should give anyone the status of being verified, trusted, and legitimate. After all, this is just a forum for hand-picked people where most of which were added due to their skills or standing in the community.
But as such, it’s not a symbol of being trustworthy, it’s just a symbol of being good in your field at what you do.
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Exactly. Twitter does it to show legitimacy. Why wouldn’t ROBLOX want to do it. It’s cool and shows that a person is a high standing member of the community.
That’s a completely different thing. Verified users are there to show that they are actually operated by a famous person / entity. They’re not there to show you can trust them to be good in a deal. And the verified check mark is definitely seen as a status symbol to envy.
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