The required read time to post on the forums should be reduced

I completely understand why there are requirements on forum read time before being able to post. While I do not have much development experience in Roblox, I have a good bit of development experience outside of Roblox. I understand that having a minimum read time before being able to post is critical for keeping basic homework-like questions out of the forums. It can also teach people how to have an educated conversation and properly ask questions.

With that being said, it is extremely frustrating having to spend so long to even be able to post. It is completely unnecessary to have to read over 100 topics, and over a thousand posts. I have seen many developers simply not use these forums due to the ridiculous requirements to be able to post. Instead, we should set the requirements much lower but require people to read through the documentation.

From what I currently understand, the requirements to post are as follows:

  • 4 hours of forum read time
  • 150 topics read
  • 1.5k posts read

Reading 150 topics is redundant. If people don’t learn how to post properly after reading 50 topics, reading 150 won’t help much more either. As the increased number of posts doesn’t help teach people how to properly ask questions, it is unnecessary.

More reasonable requirements would be as follows:

  • 1.5 hours of forum read time
  • 50 topics read
  • 500 posts read

The only problem is that creating accounts to spam becomes much easier with these new requirements. To counter this, we should require users to read through Roblox’s documentation. Forcing users to read through the documentation will teach people to answer their own questions, which will reduce basic homework-like questions. If users are not reading through documentation, then they definitely are not experienced enough to be on developer forums.

We should use the following requirements:

  • 1.5 hours of forum read time
  • 50 topics read
  • 500 posts read
  • 1 hour of documentation read time
  • 10 pages visited in the documentation

Using these requirements will better teach people how to answer their own questions, reduce the amount of unnecessary work to be able to post, and still keep out spam.

Another problem is the lack of transparency about the requirements needed to join the forums. This is a problem as when I was trying to read enough to be able to post, I had no clue how much I needed to be reading or what I should be reading. Posting the exact requirements would be a poor idea, as it would make it easier to bot the process. Instead, we should make the discobot message the user with something along the lines of the following:

Welcome to the forums!

In order to reduce spam, new users cannot immediately post. We require users to read through topics, posts, and Roblox’s documentation. Expect to have to read for at least a few hours before gaining access to posting.

We hope you enjoy the forums!

When viewing a topic or documentation page, if you are not signed in you should get a message alerting you that you are not signed in. Over the past year I have been reading through topics but I was never signed in since you are automatically signed out after a certain amount of time. Because of this, I got no credit for those many hours reading through posts.

TLDR: Having to read 150 topics over the course of 4 hours is completely unnecessary to be able to post. If people do not learn how to properly post questions after reading 50 topics, then 150 won’t help much more. Due to this, we should decrease the number of topics read and time reading required to be able to post. As decreasing the time needed to post will increase spam, we should require users to read through Roblox’s documentation. This will teach users how to answer their own questions, and make it harder for spammers to create accounts.

Edit: FroDev1002 made a good point, we shouldn’t reduce the amount of time required as we shouldn’t fix what isn’t broken. I think it would be more reasonable to require a total of 4 hours of read time across forums and documentation. I still think the reduced standard of 50 topics and 500 posts read would be a good idea. Then, also add in the minimum of 10 pages of documentation being read. This way it is easier to access forums, while still discouraging inexperienced developers from asking basic homework-like questions due to still requiring 4 hours of total time required. Even better, people will be forced to learn how to read and use documentation, a vital skill for development.

Feel free to give me feedback!
Thank you for reading!

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I like the idea, but I still digress, I think it should still be required the amount of time. But I like the idea of people reading the docs and I think that should be added

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Why do you think the 4 hours reading the forums is so valuable? I think only 1-2 hours is really needed, because that’s all that is needed to know how to properly post questions and discourages most spam.

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I personally don’t think the requirements are too high; I was able to start posting just 2 days after joining

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Cause kids will get bored by then.
Not to mention it works really well right now to keep annoying people out so Id say it doesnt need in any way to be reduced!

Fun fact I had 3 days of read time before I got in :3

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It also took me only 2 days, but that was only because I was grinding topics :joy:

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I heavily disagree, the forum is already prone to many trollers and stupidity that decreasing it would be even more catastrophic. Rather, I think t should be increased!

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Cause kids will get bored by then.

I feel as if 2 hours would be enough, but you make a point, if already works so why change it. I think they should require 4 total hours of read time across topics and documentation, with at least one hour of read time in either forums or documentation.

Also, I think it is important to emphasize that not all kids are script kiddies! I am in high school, and have worked on open source projects, machine learning, and many other advanced topics that are on a college level. But yes, a majority of my fellow high schoolers are… not intelligent… that’s a nice way to put it.

Edit: I bet you had to get 3 days of read time due to either not meeting the 150 topic minimum or 1.5k post minimum.

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The problem with increasing it further is that this restricts legitimate users from joining even more. I think if it was ever increased further, Roblox should give forms to fill out to apply to get in quicker. These forums should ask for general development experience, not just Roblox related. I haven’t seen many trolls or stupidity, but I’ve only been on the forums for 4 hours.

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Good idea but 1 hour documentation is a bit excessive. Maybe 25 minutes tops but it’d be a bit hard to track that without privacy invasions such as ecsv2 which thankfully a lot of people have blocked. (and you should). Discourse measures read times in its own without the help of Roblox’s spying services.

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That is true. I think it would be a good idea to reopen the form to get access.

What is ecsv2?

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Tracking domain Roblox uses to pretty much learn everything about how you interact with the page. Go to the homepage, open the network console, and hover over a bunch of stuff and you’ll learn.

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I think its best to keep it at what it is already at. Lowering it would make it easier for spam/alt accounts to join and having a higher bar of entry filters out some people who would be less likely to follow the rules of the forum.

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Hard disagree, it’s easy to fake it as it currently is, and it still doesn’t get people to read the rules.

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I disagree, if you are so legitimate then waiting a few hours or just looking at posts isn’t a big deal, forums would be bad as they could be exploited as well as the chance of it being AI reviewed.

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Oppose to this feature request. I don’t support this suggestion, because of trolls, spammers, and bots.

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I had access to posting in the forums in the same day I signed up.

The current limits seem fine but I think we need to make it slightly stricter. Not really enough staff to monitor it, but users should be asked why they need access to the forums. A Mastodon server that I currently run two accounts on, https://wetdry.world, does this and it helps shield out bad actors.

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I don’t know how people got in with 1-3 days because it took me like 3 weeks, so I think something needs to be done to fix that. I also know some devs that still aren’t in devforum somehow.

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It took me like 6 months for me to be able to post mainly because I didn’t open the forums often

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I disagree. I think this is a perfectly reasonable amount of requirements. Reducing this would only affect the DevForum negatively.

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