Mutual respect is important for both parties, hating or wanting this feature, which is a reason why I originally suggested this feature to be something completely optional, and why I believe people should choose if they want to use them or no.
However it is important that something comes out of it, regardless if it’s a whole update or just allowing server scripts to read that profile data that tells whenever a user is a male, female, or other. There’s currently now way to read this, and I believe it would help alot.
Users under 13 would also be excluded from this, they would not be able to see other users’ pronouns or set their own. This would make sure their privacy is protected. These users would return as “other” for scripts.
This post is not related to anything political or “woke”. If you’re coming in here with arguments related to that, you should probably reconsider what you’re doing and re-read the post, as nothing about this post is related to politics! Let’s keep politics out of Roblox.
As for “developers can add features for that”, that’s not helpful for this, because this still doesn’t allow games to automatically read information about the profile and find out if the user is a male or female. Allowing scripts to see that would be helpful, so you can make an automated process of pre-selecting players a character based on their selected gender.
Your pronouns are something that you (can) choose. If somebody misgenders you, just correct them. It isn’t other people’s job to have to always validate what you think. People shouldn’t have to look at the leaderboard to see your pronouns because they are worried about misgendering you. If you really care that much about it, you should take the time to correct other people. It isn’t their responsibility to make sure that they don’t misgender you.
While I’m not inherently in favor of this being a feature, I feel a lot of the fuss could be avoided by making the ENTIRE thing optional, in a sense that not only can you choose to have ‘no’ option, but also not being able to see anyone else’s either, even if they have an option toggled.
That way those who are in favor have that option, but those against it can choose to not have it bloat their UI, essentially not changing anything for them.
Only fuss I can see being made in this proposal is whether this would be toggled by default or not.
That said, I personally don’t see this as a necessary feature.
dawg?
if this was to be added, I would probably use it. I have a few avatars (cosplays of characters) that are 100% female, if i were to use one of these avatars, most people would assume I was a woman. there are use cases for this outside of “mental illness” () and it doesn’t take a genius to understand this.
this is a rather odd take, you’re basically saying if anything makes you uncomfortable you should just suck it up and get on with it, but when this logic is applied to any situation, you’d soon realize that its not that simple. I don’t think I have to explain any further why this logic is flawed.
They wouldnt have to, though
it’d just be there, if you wanted to, you could look at it, but if you don’t, you don’t.
Pretty simple if u ask me
Whilst I believe OP’s version of such a feature is a little badly executed, I still believe that there should be at least some way of having a short bio/pronouns/profile/ whatever viewable in game, which would solve many, MANY issues, including this one.
My point is that I have no problem with people misinterpreting my username has me being “Avery” as in the girls name, and not “A Very”.
And that I can either correct them or just put it in my bio.
i want this feature because im experiencing the opposite effect of what people are implying in their responses.
for context: my pronouns are he/they/any, i don’t care at all what people use to refer to me but my preferred pronouns are he/they. however, i express myself and my avatar very femininely because i can and i want to.
going back to what i said earlier about “the opposite effect”: my game’s player base always asks me for my identity when i play it because they don’t know how to refer to me. as i said earlier, i don’t care how people refer to me, but it would save time and stress on both ends to have this so they can know that they can call me whatever. it’s got to the point where in-game players have arguments about how to refer to me. some have even told me that they felt scared before talking to me in-game because they were worried about misgendering me (although, as said earlier, im completely fine with people calling me whatever!)
responding to the “just put it in your bio” argument, i don’t know about you, but it’s 100 times quicker to just have it in the roblox menu (plus mobile users might have a hard time checking this). in addition to this, roblox could just add this here to use this empty space
if you don’t like this update just don’t use it, make it optional, whatever. you should not be forced to put your pronouns up if you don’t want to. if you’re not worried about the others’ pronouns, just don’t look at them and that’s it. it’s not affecting you at all and it could help you sometime in the future if you have any doubts about someone’s identity.
^^^^ This is the whole point of the feature request.
“Just put it in the bio” is a non-argument that people are reaching for as the lazy reason to say No. Nobody is going to go to your bio to find your pronouns if they’re actively engaged in a game. If this was implemented exactly as-posted there would be zero impact to anyone who doesn’t care. The only reasons people can dream up against this change are based on faulty reasoning.
What part of developing requires you to express your full self?
This is pretty stupid. Your gender doesn’t affect your skills as a developer. And let’s say you do get offended when someone misgenders you, just correct them. One might argue that just correcting them over and over again is repetitive and annoying, however, this honestly applies to a small amount of the community.
Personally, I refer to someone or a group as they, you, us, we, etc. I try not to use pronouns unless there is no English alternative.
Comparing Roblox and Twitter is wild. (Also for the OP, grammatical error on this line → “so it would be”)
Me personally, as a he/him, would not like this update. I don’t see the reason for pronouns to be on a site where you can simply express yourself with your avatar and the way you connect with other people, after all, Roblox claims to be reimagining the way people come together.
from all of the reading Ive done, it would appear they arent referencing development, rather their experience with games on the platform, from reading I’ve concluded this isnt development related, so as to why you think they are referencing development confused me a bit.
Again same thing as I said above.
Just something I noticed about your critique, other than that I got nothing else to say lol. Just keep that in mind Ig.
Sometimes its not enough :[
Anyhow I think if anything, roblox should just make a way to see bios in game, or something like that.
And also what @Reditect has mentioned.
I am against the idea of adding pronouns because I feel it curates an environment with expectations that everybody be a certain way and abide by a certain standard, which is the opposite of what it’s trying to achieve, BUT I also think making other peoples identity political is stupid, and terrible.
This isn’t a necessary feature. You aren’t special, there isn’t a need to be doing pronouns on Roblox. Plus developers are already making them themselves, just keep it that way.
This can backfire. If I had a female and male character, I don’t want to make a “gender neutral” character.
And for people saying: “oh I use female characters whilst being a dude”, that’s just something you have to deal with. I think it’s weird that dudes use female avatars.
I honestly don’t care if it’s toggable, but I’m worried about people yelling at me for not using their correct pronouns. I just want to play a game, not get yelled at.
It may cause some good effects, but the bad out weigh the good.
This post needs to be deleted by mods. This post is getting out of hand
That’s your choice. Other people shouldn’t have to look at your pronouns, but instead they can just call you whatever. “He”, “she”, and “they” all have basically the same purpose, and I don’t see any point in getting worked up about it. If you choose to dress femininely but want to be referred to as “he”, that’s you’re responsibility to correct people if you really care that much.
People shouldn’t be worried about what to call you. If they ask, you don’t have to respond, or you can just say what you would like to be called. In a server with lots of people, it would take longer to find you on the player list and look at the pronouns than it would to just ask. Because of this, I think that this feature is really unnecessary.
I mean, if you really want to you can put it in your bio, but I don’t see a purpose for either of them.
This will not be used by very many people, and is not worth the time that it would take to add.
you were mistaken, i said in the original post multiple times that i don’t care what people call me, having a preference doesn’t necessarily mean that i care. people are worried because they think that i might get fed up if they use the wrong pronoun (and i don’t, because my pronouns are he/they/any). this update helps to counteract this awkward scenario because they can check that i indeed don’t care before talking to me if they are doubtful.
well, im so sorry to tell you this but people are indeed worried, i can’t just change their way of thinking. if they ask, i just say that “i don’t care but usually he/they”.
it takes much longer to type out a question, get that sent over, get read, and get responded to than just searching through an alphabetically ordered list and being 1 click away from knowing.
i wanna know if there’s another argument other than “no, this is useless” because i don’t see it as something useless. if some players are too scared to talk because they don’t know how to refer to the other person, then this is not a useless update but instead something to facilitate communication between users. it certainly helps save time and doesn’t hurt anyone if it’s optional and up to you to partake in it.
and as always, this should be entirely optional: if you don’t wanna have your pronouns, don’t have them. if you don’t want to check another person’s pronouns, just don’t check them. you might be corrected later if the person on the other side cares enough, but that’s up to them.
This would be an extension to my previous post; people would rather use it to make themselves look convincing for rage baiting. I’ve seen this card being pulled off and still do even after the beheading of RMA off the platform.
Do you believe we should have traits added to the leaderboard too? I believe it would help a lot in finding the people you want. Aside from that, you haven’t addressed the exact issue with the purpose of language (by means of conveying to others and getting the receiver of the statement to understand). I don’t mean multiple languages issues, that’s also an issue but this is a different issue. Languages were made to address the subjects. This would be unnecessary as it could be compared to traits, which is unnecessary. Therefore, it is impossible to seek any purpose in the feature without conflicting with traits.
Capitalization also matters too. AVery_____ seems very neutral and is a common knowledge among those who speak the English language. Your username is very safe due to emphasizing capitalizations. You do not need to worry.
Another fantastic idea! Alongside with this feature, we should also ship the feature of Mr., Ms., and Mrs. which closely according to the purpose of the other features, or might be able to replace other feature due to it already favoring respect.
The reason people see pronoun-based features as political is because they somewhat showcase the concept that society should abandon the idea of using gender-based methods, which is something a lot of left-leaning people support in terms of the political spectrum.
But a majority of people simply don’t like the idea of moving away from a gender-based society in the first place and feel that the idea is being forced onto them.
So that’s basically why the entire subject is very controversial and causes a massive amount of political debates online, so referring to this thread as political is technically correct.
I don’t personally support putting in pronoun-based methods since a majority of players don’t want the platform to go in that direction and it could fuel more personal attacks that are solely based on gender, so that’s essentially my take on it.
i wholeheartedly disagree, you do not need pronouns to have fun in Roblox.
If you’re having issues expressing yourself on a platform made primarily for children then sorry but, maybe you’re the problem, and not Roblox’s inability to display pronouns.
I personally do not see the reason for this, if someone misgenders you, correct them (serves as a fun conversation starter too in my experience), no need to get upset cause of a stranger.
) and it doesn’t take a genius to understand this.
