Can we reduce the severity of rule 16?

Rule 16, is currently one of the highest punishment rules on the forum, resulting in instant termination from the forums in the event of breaching it.

I personally would prefer if this rule could be changed, to be in a similar manor to the NSFW rules, with 2 strikes for an unintentional breach and 3 for an intentional.

Why?

The only category locked from members is the lounge, and in all honesty, lounge is one of the least informative / important categories on the forum, yet if someone were to repost a picture, of say a cat, that they found within lounge. they would be risk at a permanent suspension from the forums. a punishment I don’t really feel is fair given how undamaging and simply stupid the infraction is.

Is it really fair to treat users, reposting a picture of a cat in the same way as a user deliberately posting NSFW content around the forum?


By this logic, we couldn’t even take a picture of a discussion or cool creations post and text it to a friend.

Actually, if we were to be really nitpick. Even stating categories such as forum feedback exists outside of private categories could be a breach.

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I’m opposed to any loosening of the rule. The current system of ‘you need the OP’s permission’ is good enough.

People leaking anything, regardless of severity, isn’t okay.

No part of the rule says its ok if you get the OP’s permission.

It’s the consensus. Perhaps that should be made more clear in the guidelines?

The rule in general is a nightmare the way it is currently worded, it literally blanket bans the mentioning of the categories / anything in the categories outside of the categories.

If we were to be reasonable and realistic, the chances of me being banned for saying the name of a post in lounge is honestly negligible, but its the fact there is the potential for this to happen that scares me.

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It is not what the rule says but what the ruler does that matter. What you’ll see is that your ideal is here, an end to the book you told.

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A potential much better wording would:

  • Allow linking of posts and titles (as titles are included in titles) of Topics
  • Information from posts (including the body) would be kept secret, although it can be discussed with people that have access to the post
  • The above is void with OP permission

Sorry, apart from the first part this entire post confused me, mind rewording?

I ask you to review all the times that rule was used, when and how; when you’ve violated and not.

It is not that the rule is strict but the usage of said rule is not what you believe it to be. There are many “rules” which are never enforced or not enforced enough.

oh, ok. thanks for clarifying that.

I still think it would be appreciate for the rule to be reworded in a less, one could say intimidating way. There is not really a reason for having such a seemingly strict rule when it is rarely enforced as it is stated.

As I stated, I had never seen the rule enforced, yet the nature of the rule was concerning. especially since it covers categories I would imagine to be commonly shared in private conversations. such as cool creations.

The thing is, leaking is 99% of the time intentional. Let’s say you hired someone to work on your game and then they told everyone the upcoming update info, despite you wanting it to be a secret. You would probably get very mad at them and fire them. It’s similar here: if you post something from a category others can’t see, then you get kicked off the forum. Though if you try to link a topic from say, lounge, when a new member tried to click it, it’ll give an error message, which is Roblox’s attempt to stop the problem. I think rule 16 should be as strong as it is, as it is a huge trust loser.

Ok then I reword my argument to be, if the infraction is unharmful it should be worth no / 1 / 2 strikes
and only be worth 3 if harm was intended.

As in my example, posting a picture of a cat from lounge honestly shouldn’t result in 3 strikes.

It’s still leaking? If you blur the line, something one person may believe should be kept secret may not match what another person believes should be kept secret; and everyone looses.

No sympathy for anyone who leaks; they deserve 3 strikes on the spot as they cannot be trusted with anything.

Being realistic however, is anyone realistically going to care if they post a google image of a cat, then that gets reposted in another catagory? if you can give me a good reason why that would harm anyone, then I back down from my argument. but as I said its similar to NSFW. if no intentional harm was caused. the punishment doesn’t feel necessary.

For example, if you wanted to show your friend scripton’s cool driving AI, we theoretically could not do that without breaking the rules.

Just copy the url of the post in a private category and let discourse do the rest. Problem solved.

There’s more to the story than what’s on the surface. We enforce professionalism on the forum and the lounge is …(I think you know what I mean) and Roblox is a serious company.

The forum is officially maintained by Roblox, so if someone happened to leak something that can hurt the reputation of Roblox, that’s the best way to punish that person.

To avoid all possible scenarios, it’s better to generally prohibit sharing the contents of the private categories.

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Yes but, is a cat really going to harm roblox :frowning:

I agree that it should be less severe but it’s mostly about trusting that a picture/information wouldn’t be leaked no matter how severe it is or isn’t.

Outside of Roblox, I’ve read a lot of blogs made by haters hating iconic people because of really simple things to the point it reached a huge audience. I can’t tell if there are people out there that hate Roblox and if the same scenario would apply, but I’m pretty sure there are/it would.

Take this as an example, several media platforms that manipulate news to make Roblox look bad.

I think the main point of the rule is to avoid general drama and controversy. No leaks = Nothing to make drama about

as I said, unless it is intentionally causing harm / obviously causing harm. it should not really be classed on the same standard as intentional posting of NSFW content.

I kinds get rail work’s point of it not mattering about the rule but the ruling. However I still feel it should be made obvious about the specifics of the rule.

I agree that harmless or unintended leaks from the private sections should be less severe. Maybe only 1 or 2 strikes. It wouldn’t make sense to be permanently removed from the Roblox forums by re-posting a harmless picture someone posted in lounge that came straight out of google images.

I understand that you can manipulate things people said to make them sound worse, so I think it should still get a punishment, but less severe.