Clarification on code flagged for safety review

Yeah, that’s concerning. Nothing about this update makes sense.

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I feel the need to bring this up:

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I made this poll 22 minutes ago, and I closed it after 16 voters. As you can see from the results, 12 people disagreed with the announcement, and 4 are neutral. The fact that 0 out of the 16 voters agreed with the announcement is ridiculous. It shows that this needs to be changed NOW!

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I don’t want to leave and I don’t want others to do so either, and its sad to see that privacy is being invaded for “moderation purposes”.

Why doesn’t Roblox say anything? Not even saying that they are going to keep it the same, change it, disclose that they are discussing options on how to proceed. The fact that their try to let this blow over is anger-inducing.

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We have had enough with Roblox getting away with updates like this.

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No offense, but why would this EVER be needed. I personally think this isn’t a great update at all, and has impacted enough of the Developer community. Such a shame.

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If Roblox actually lets this update slide and won’t provide resolution.

I’ll consider starting a class action against emotional damages.

Developers poured work into their Roblox account.

A string shouldn’t terminate you.

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I’m game if you’re game. Let’s all get in a group offsite and come up with a good plan, then execute it.

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Just the thought of being terminated over something as ridiculous as a license at the top of my script sickens me. I really want this to stop. Can’t they provide any information to help cease our worries?

It is, as I said it’s not manager very well. Do you want to see free scripts for <13 developers in the toolbox about bad words?

Code? Or model? Both things are different.

Then why there’s a filtering chat? This could have been made without filtering. Also, try to think about <13 players.

Not always. If you read my post before skipping everything that I have written.

At the end of the day Roblox is gonna be losing money from this change. They could prevent this if they revert this change.

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How does this update make ROBLOX a more secure platform? I do not see how inappropriate text in scripts affects players in game, the same way the search bar would censor text when searching for users.

Not to mention, just like with Bush, this just seems like an excuse to look at Coders’ work :thinking:

The prioritization of <13 users is what got us into this mess in the first place. I have not seen a single news article about “Roblox Studio scripts being used as communication of inappropriate content, and that this Roblox website is bad,” and I doubt I will see that ever. The users of Roblox Studio are a very small minority alone, and then of that find the <13 users using it, it is microscopic. Combine that then with how many of those <13 users using it for bypassing the filter, and the probability of such an event occurring is trivial at the least.

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After my rant (Clarification on code flagged for safety review - #859 by Serenevoxol)…

I’d like to say my more… negative neutrall side on this matter.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for ROBLOX protecting their website as well as trying to shield the more vulnerable populace from the more explicit side of ROBLOX, and doing what they can in their abundant amounts power to censor potentially explicit content. But… there’s a fine line to what you should be able to do, and what the public should be able to help you do.

The ROBLOX Staff should not be given blatant access to your entire game’s code (regardless in many cases, but you can always imply scenarios where this is needed…). Your code is your creation, and therefore you cannot put a “haha snoop code machine go brrrrr” on somebody else.

It’s like creating a recipe for a sauce (or any metaphor you want in this case), but in order for it to be sold, you have to give up your rights and send your recipe to your boss to verify it’s “suitable for the public”. With that, the boss now having access to your sauce, they’re more than likely able to do some not very cash money things with it.

Again, I want to reiterate this. If the public cannot see it, or it’s not affecting ANYONE, then why take the extra steps to moderate this user because they have a vulgar word as a comment reminder that they need to finish a function?

I’m too exhausted to finalize any of this. The above is a simple TL;DR.

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I generally dislike this new system of code-reviewing because it puts extra unnecessary stress and work on the Roblox moderation team. Roblox doesn’t need a team of people out there, reviewing every single line of code in games to make sure that they’re squeaky clean. Roblox has a strict moderation system mainly to protect <13 users, but I doubt any <13 users are going to uncopylocked games, copying them and checking out all the code. They would likely be more interested in the builds instead, and I doubt many <13 users develop games anyways.

If inappropiate language in code becomes big of a problem anyways, Roblox could use an automatic non-aggresive filter to replace inappropiate code with hashtags. For example:

-- F***
-- ####

Malicious code is not a problem, it only affects the games that it’s in and doesn’t steal people’s accounts.

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I do not want to leave ROBLOX. I’m going to say this very clearly. I do not want to leave ROBLOX. However, this update has pushed me to my limits. After the Bloxys were so bad, a win was needed inevitably. You even forgot to mention some of the categories (e.g. Quirkiest Game)! Enough about the Bloxys, let’s talk about this. I was very disappointed leaving the Bloxy Awards game, so I decided to come to the DevForum to talk about it, then I see this. Here’s a full list of reasons why this update should be removed.

Reason 1:

Let’s face it, pretty much nobody wants it. People are considering leaving the platform, taking action, etc. Here’s a few examples:

Reason 2:

You just told us about this…after the “many months” it has been going on. Not cool.

Reason 3:

You could be using your moderation resources SO much better. Aren’t there still exploiters, phishers, and scammers? Please use your moderators for more important things, like improving the reporting system.

Reason 4:

This is the most important reason. Here’s the short answer: What’s the point?

Nobody can see the code except for the developer! Why would you moderate something nobody can see!?

Reason 5:

I’ve seen players who bypass the filter in-game (and use profanity) who only get warned. Now a developer does it in code (that NOBODY can see), and they get terminated? Ridiculous.

Reason 6:

I’m just going to use a quote for this one.

Summary:

Since Friday (4 days ago), there have been 845 comments. Not one staff member has thought to reply. Please, treat your developers better.

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It is microscopic, but still possible, my brother who is now 13, when he was 11, he already found alot of inappropriated codes. Thats why im saying, this is necessary but not managed very well.

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Developers are what keep Roblox going and they treat us like this? Developers need better attention, Without developers Roblox would not exist as stated before.

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Just how?
As an automatic moderation, one would think the code has to be moderated on compile or execution.

If the moderation occurred from raw lua files, then there would be an overwhelming amount of false positives and it would be difficult to detect code behavior with encodings and string manipulations.

Raw files should really not be moderated, only developers have access to their code.
Compiled code more or less makes sense, but is it even necessary at that point?

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Somebody thought it was, then the rest of the team did, so now we’re here in this mess. At least we’re in it together though.

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