Discussion regarding development discussion: Post conservatively

I think all of us can agree that we’ve seen a lot of posts and replies going around here that really have no right to exist: posts that contribute absolutely nothing to discussion, posts which are totally off topic from what other people are trying to discuss, posts which have been repeated hundreds of times, like “Is Roblox good” or “What do you like or not like about X [insert generic topic, like “development”]”.

I think we as a community need to set a higher standard for the kinds of posts which are and are not acceptable here, and maybe introduce a rule of conservative posting.

Basically, the principle of conservative posting is this: Only post when you have something important to say.

Here are some examples:

  1. Someone creates a post discussing a part of development that you are not familiar with, like maybe a discussion about when to use object oriented programming when writing code for a game.

What you shouldn’t do: “Hey I don’t know what object oriented programming is but it sounds cool. I am learning programming.”

What you should do: If you are interested in the topic being discussed but don’t have background knowledge about it, then look it up! You are pretty likely to find some leads or answers about the topic either here on the devforums, on the devhub, or on google. When you’ve put some effort into researching the topic but are having trouble, then you can make a reply saying “hey I’ve looked up X and I found out about Y, can someone explain to me why so is so?”

  1. You are bored and want to socialize with other developers on the devforums.

What you shouldn’t do: Create a generic discussion post asking a really open ended question that you have little interest in discussion yourself. I hate to call out certain people, but one post that has seen a lot of activity even recently is “What is your longest script”, where the author wrote a single sentence in the body of the post, and never replied to ANY of the discussion that followed from the post. Don’t make a post if you don’t care to discuss with the respondents!

What you should do: If you don’t have anything specific you want to discuss that hasn’t already been posted, then what you should do is browse through the existing posts in Development Discussion, find a post that interests you, and then leave your own thoughts or respond to other peoples’ thoughts. Then, this way we can facilitate and grow the discussion.




I also want to comment on the quality of the open ended posts like “What is your longest script” which do not technically violate any rules, but also generate absolutely zero meaningful conversation. I just scrolled through that post and looked at the replies, and 99% of the responses were directly to the original post, and almost nobody was replying to replies (aka discussion). If you make a really short post, you will get really short answers, and short answers are the worst for generating engaging conversation. For these kinds of surveys where you are simply looking for some statistic about other developers, then creating a poll in the body of the post is a much better option.

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Roblox still stresses this for people posting on the developer forum. I don’t really think this will make people make good posts.

Sorry if I sound negative, it’s just some people don’t listen.

Completely understandable. I’ve just felt that it should be there instead of here, but since you’re trying to get a point across, I’m 100% by your side!

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Roblox doesn’t stress the kind of good posting etiquette that I wish to promote. Look at what their official rules have to say in regards to spam/low effort posting:

Every reply must be meaningful, contributive, and on-topic. Do not re-post what others have already said, do not post memes or single-word posts such as “First!” or “bump”, and put effort into your posts. Use the Like button instead of replying “Thanks!” or other generic sentences. Do not circumvent any character limit requirements with clutter text. When replying to multiple posts, reply to all of them within one post instead of making an individual post for each response. Do not bump topics and do not post duplicate topics either.

A little kid will see this and think, “Oh, as long as my reply isn’t one word, I’m okay! I’ll just post one sentence posts and replies which are totally off topic, but because it isn’t a one word response, and I think my post is meaningful, it must be okay.”

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While I do kinda agree with the post, I do also agree that you shouldn’t be posting it here rather than to the #forum-feedback since FF’s main function is talking about the DevForum within itself (check all those cool PSAs people made).

Saying that one’s post doesn’t have the right to exist is too extreme tbh… You should try to change the language in the post.

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Although it’s been flagged, this does belong in Forum Feedback. Directed at forum staff or not, meta discussion does not belong in the Development Discussion category. There is a clear distinction between both categories, expressing that one is for talking about Roblox development and the other is for talking about the forums themselves. Please read category guidelines.

Recategorised.

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Like @Crazedbrick1 said, you can’t really police this type of behavior no matter how straight you are to any reader of this post that happens to have made these opened ended topics. It’s just human nature: it goes in one ear (or eye in this case) and out the other. As much as we are aggressive we are with making these types of posts (like just keeping it real with people) it can’t really change the way people see DD. :confused:

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I agree with you, but I believe posting for the sake of posting is just people’s need for clout on the forum. The best you can do is just flag it if you find it non-contributive to the discussion.

True to an extent, but you don’t need to reply to everyone or feel the need to do so. Sometimes, you can leave it be and if someone perhaps has said something wrong, or been misunderstood or you generally feel the need to reply, then you can do so.

Eh?

Agree completely. Already today I’ve seen multiple threads that are just… pointless. I used to think that people just had a problem about the Development Discussion section but clearly it’s a very prevalent issue that needs to be addressed.

It’s getting somewhat tiresome to see so many threads in #forum-feedback all about fixing Development Discussion. I really hope somebody pays attention at some point.

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This post was originally in Development Discussion but it got forcefully pushed into Forum Feedback, where it now sits alongside the pile of other complaints about Developer Discussion. To be honest I have no idea what Roblox’s developer relations team actually does because it really does seem like they’ve done almost nothing here on the forums. I kinda figured fixing Developer Discussion would be part of their job.

problems with discussion are some of the biggest problems facing this forum, as such it is natural for them to regularly appear in forum feedback; a place intended, for discussing, among other things, problems with the forum.

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^ Uhmm… The “If you make a really short post, you get really short answers…” part isn’t the most true all the time.

It usually is. Feel free to share examples showing the contrary.

Yeah… I’m with you there mate. I made that comment six days ago and just looking at Dev Discussion nothing’s changed.

https://devforum.roblox.com/t/-/702784/14

https://devforum.roblox.com/t/t-/81324/6

https://devforum.roblox.com/t/-/817150/2

this last one is very new. I found these within less than five minutes of searching.

You may have misunderstood my point.

None of the posts you linked are shorter than a half-para, and for some their status as a discussion is questionable.

op: 11 line post
linked reply: several paragraphs

op: paragraph, not appropriate for category
reply: single sentence, not appropriate for category, did not contibute to the “discussion” at hand, and is a dead link

linked reply: several paragraphs
op: 2-3 paragraphs, has a poll in a discussion so should be illegal

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Meant https://devforum.roblox.com/t/t-/81324/7

I made a pretty much poll-only discussion, it has 60-something replies…

Plus I replied from this discussion:

@MandarinNatesAlt: Uhmm… The “If you make a really short post, you get really short answers…” part isn’t the most true all the time.
@Automationeer: It usually is. Feel free to share examples showing the contrary.
@Ty_IsHomeSchooled: (shows examples of short op’s and long replies)
@Automationeer: None of the posts you linked are shorter than a half-para, and for some their status as a discussion is questionable. (note you didn’t mention the replies until listing how long the reply was later)

I don’t think I misunderstood at all.

Dead links are fine and if it wasn’t appropriate for the category and was spam it would of probably been flagged.

Topic not appropriate for category. Linked reply is several paragraphs. Try harder next time.

Clearly you did because short OPs (less than 3 sentences) leads to short replies and you are yet to show any evidence of the contrary. This is not the kind of conduct you’d expect from a professional community but that’s all been chucked out the DevForum at this point.

Irregardless of if your ‘poll-only discussion’ has “60-something replies” that does not make it a good discussion nor does it make your point more valid, but that’s it’s own topic.

This is beginning to get off-topic, if you’d like to discuss this further, please Message me over replying to prevent adding further clutter.


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I shouldn’t have to explain what I mean by that; I’m pointing out how the reply was useless and did not add to the topic at all.

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