Massless Hats & Other Accoutrement

[Joshua_Falken]

We shipped a change to avatar mass calculation on Thursday.

Hats and other accouterments no longer contribute to avatar mass when they are equipped. The "Handle" part will report zero mass. Unequipped hats and accouterments retain their original mass values.

The intent of this change is to allow all avatars to swim upwards at the same rate. Previously, hats and other accouterments would weigh an avatar down. Multiple hats could even make it impossible to swim upwards at all.

If you have any scripts that depend on the masses of parts, they may be affected by this change.

After this change, we intend to remove the option of jumping while swimming, which we have left in place until now to prevent heavily hatted avatars from getting trapped underwater.

When we make this change, attempting to jump while underwater will impart an upward force without entering the jump state.

EDIT: point of clarification, players will still be able to jump out of the water when they're on the surface.

[SmoothBlockModel]

YES and YES!

So glad Water Jumping will no longer be a thing.

[LordZenkai]

Yeah water jumping was convenient but it just looked awful

[Nightgaladeld]

[EchoReaper]

Does this apply to packages too? Some are pretty big, and would affect character weight noticeably.

Also, any chance this could be set for select parts jointed to another part? For instance, a heavy set of armor or a large warhammer. Since the parts would be attached to another, like with equipped hats, there wouldn't be any physics edge cases with mass=0 assemblies.

[Joshua_Falken]

This change only applies to accouterments, but if we want to expand it to cover other attached part categories in the future that will be a possibility.

[zeuxcg]

Does this apply to packages too? Some are pretty big, and would affect character weight noticeably.

There will be another update in the future that will normalize the weight of package body parts, as well as their collision geometry.

[asimo3089]

Awesome thank you. Some characters can't use doors in jailbreak without walking through them sideways, like a crab.

Also very happy to see the swim and weight change!!

[LordZenkai]

we intend to remove the option of jumping while swimming

Just want to check, will players still be able to jump out of water if they're on the surface or will we have to make adjustments to maps in order for players to be able to climb out?

[EchoReaper]

Just want to check, will players still be able to jump out of water if they're on the surface or will we have to make adjustments to maps in order for players to be able to climb out?

Yep -- that's staying.

EDIT: point of clarification, players will still be able to jump out of the water when they're on the surface.

[LordZenkai]

awesome then

[CloneTrooper1019]

Thank you so much. This has been a much needed change for awhile now.

[Younite]

YES OMG

The festive narwhal wont weigh a ton now!

[Wsly]

There will be another update in the future that will normalize the weight of package body parts, as well as their collision geometry.

Thank you! This is the primary reason for many games to not transition to R15.

[Klocko]

Will the update also fix players animations changing the collision?

[EchoReaper]

Even the default animation has trouble walking up anything that's slightly inclined:

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[Joshua_Falken]

We have another update coming to address collisions and navigability. This purely affects mass calculation.

[SerClockwerk]

That's why you should put an invisible brick angled at the angle of the stairs all the way up so it's just one seamless transition upwards.

[EchoReaper]

It also happens with wedges which have a flush face.

[Joshua_Falken]

Surface jumping will still work. This only applies to jumping while fully submerged.