R15 Characters and Their Current Rigging Logic

[LMH_Hutch (Hutch)]

So now that R15 is right around the corner from being a fully realized feature and we’re at the point now where things are about as final as they’re going to get I figured I’d dive in and check out how they were rigged up and put together. Head scratches were had.

Now if you take the R15 rig, stop all the animations it has playing, and take a look at it in a “t pose”, it looks pretty normal, everything is straight and lined up, as expected. But if you go ahead and select all the body parts of said character, you’re in for a surprise.

I’m having a hard time finding the reasoning for all the seemingly arbitrary rotations, offsets, and part sizes. “If you stand in a t-pose IRL none of your body parts meet at 0 or 90 degrees” is bad reasoning given the default tpose emulates flush or right angle joints anyways. It seems like an odd amount of work went into making these new characters awkward and hard to work with outside of the tools we’re given.

The R6 rigs could be rebuilt with 6 of the right sized parts and a dragger. You didn’t have to oddly rotate them or offset parts from where the dagger would place them. These new bodies not so much. Because the R6 rigs were so simple to put together they sparked a whole fad of builds, and I don’t think the R15 characters have that same characteristic given how unnecessarily complex they are.

So given that this is a feature request I would like to request that that un-needed rotations and offsets be removed from the R15 rig, and the parts that build up the rig be re-sized and re-positioned to fit together in a similar manor to the R6 rig. I do apologize for the rant-ish approach this request took but I felt it necessary as it provides a bit of ground for this request to stand on.

And to drive it home further, I don’t think this request is toooo far fetched given that we can build rigs that fit together logically while keeping really similar proportions to the R15 rig. If it wasn’t so lazy I’d have CSG’d the bevels on and everything.

./ihopethishasn’t beenpostedalreadyivebeenonvacation

[Whimzee]

From my understanding everything about the rig is still a work in progress, the bounding boxes are no exception. I would wait out on this one for a while.

[B_rcode (Barcode)]

Well it’s still good that this was brought up in case it hadn’t occured to whoever’s developing R15

[buildthomas]

Notice here:

@Sorcus

Known Issues:

(…)

• Character rig part names are not final.
• Character rig part sizes are not correct. They will more closely match the Block meshes in the final version.
  (…)
• Orientation of all parts are not correct. They are backwards facing.
  (…)
• Character head UV scale needs to be reviewed.
• Lower arms have a missing polygon.

They will probably refine the rig a lot more before it is officially shipped.

I don’t recommend making animations with this rig right now, since they will probably be broken when the next iteration of the rig rolls around when they add clothing/hats/etc.

PS: When you post in Feature Requests make sure to post in one of the categories.

[LMH_Hutch (Hutch)]

@B_rcode

Well it’s still good that this was brought up in case it hadn’t occured to whoever’s developing R15

the OP sums up my grievance with the current rigging scheme. I get that they aren’t totally done yet, and I didn’t test out the version that had the super skinny body parts (not meshes) so I couldn’t properly compare my findings in the OP with that. I may be totally off base because of it, but at least this way the issue and its reasoning are known.

As it stands this request is just to raise attention to those working on the R15 project.