The whole message makes no sense.
Why have a Destroy or Remove command when all it does it cause an error?
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This happens if youâre trying to remove something immediately after it has been created.
You can work around it by just adding the object to the debris with a delay of 0.
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Or trying to change the parent of it from another thread when it just had its parent changed
wait(0) and delay(0) donât really make sense since you canât pause 0 seconds, so I prefer to use spawn which gives the same results
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wait(0) makes perfect sense. It means you want to resume on the next Lua task scheduler resume (as soon as possible.) Which is exactly the same thing as spawn().
If you donât want to wait until the next Lua resume, you can probably get away with doing game:GetService(âRunServiceâ).Heartbeat:wait().
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No it doesnât because waiting 0 seconds isnât waiting at all which is the same thing as not having the wait there in the first place. Except thatâs not what really happens in Lua, so youâre building code that relies on the program not doing what itâs told to do. Waiting 0 seconds to resume the next scheduler resume is not what wait was designed for, and relying on a side effect instead of what was specifically designed for resuming on the next scheduler resume only makes your code less readable and more confusing.
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Didnât John say something along the lines of anything that can be fixed with a simple wait(0) is doing something wrong?
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This concept doesnât exist in Lua, itâs a feature of ROBLOX. ROBLOX was designed with this task scheduler as an integral part of the engine. If youâre writing code for ROBLOX, then you should be expected to know that the task scheduler runs at a set rate. All wait() was designed to do is yield the current thread and resume it on the next tick that occurs after the duration desired has elapsed. Thus, wait(0) is entirely valid because the next tick is going to be >0 seconds after the last.
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Thatâs how wait() was implemented â not what it was designed to do.
No. Youâre relying on the way it was implemented rather than what the API is meant to provide.
What? Youâre trying to be too pedantic and itâs not working; the task scheduler absolutely was designed to do exactly that because it was designed for a game that ran at 30 FPS.
Using wait(0) to yield until the next resume because the implementation of wait allowed it instead of using spawn (which was specifically designed for that) is as bad as using the Lighting as ReplicatedStorage just because the implementation of Lighting allowed it to function like that.
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No itâs not? I donât know what to tell you at this point. Youâre just arguing for the sake of it.
I donât know what to tell you at this point either after you tell me Iâm wrong and then when I respond with content about what weâre discussing Iâm given ad hominem in return in subsequent replies to me.
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Because you are wrong, sorry. Even if your premise that wait() was designed to do something is correct, youâre still wrong because wait() was designed to yield. If it didnât yield when you gave it 0, that would be unexpected behavior.
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waiting 0 seconds (0 seconds = no time) not yielding for an amount of time is unexpected behavior
what
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Well then I expect wait(0.1) to wait exactly 0.1 seconds. Why doesnât it.
local x = calculateSomething()
wait(x)
So youâre telling me that this code should change behavior entirely if x is 0?
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Because of hardware, internal workings of software, etc thatâs not possible.
No. The current behavior should stay the same â the current behavior is like it is because of hardware, internal, etc restrictions. But what you shouldnât do is rely on that obscure implementation quirk (unless there isnât another option) â thatâs bad design.
If I want to play a ROBLOX sound multiple times, I have to clone it and play the clone because if I played the original multiple times the previously playing instances would get stopped as soon as I played the next one. For the sake of example, letâs say I use a cleaner that loops through all the cloned sounds, checks if theyâre stopped, and deletes them if they are. For whatever reason, I need to trigger the cleaner manually. I can do this by cloning a random sound and immediately stopping it, or I can write and use a method for the cleaner that triggers it manually. Which code should I use?
...
local clone = reloadSound:Clone()
clone:Play()
clone:Stop()
...
...
SoundCleaner:Run()
...
With the way the cleaner is implemented, I can certainly trigger it manually by cloning an arbitrary sound and stopping it, but is that good code? If someone was reading that besides me, they would have no idea what it was for unlike if I made a method for the cleaner. Iâm no expert, but I thought the general consensus of programmers was that good code is inherently understandable and that needing to follow a trail of method sources and observing what each one does just so you can find out what the top level is doing is bad.
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When scripters use wait() they are intending for their code to pause for that amount of seconds. The name of the function being âwaitâ implies thisâŚto pause or wait that time.
This is the implementation. Usually when you want something to be done, the implementation isnât always as simple, but it was designed to let you force your code to wait a period of time given in seconds. Of course this isnât decimal perfect simply because thats extremely hard to achieve due to technical reasons, but its pretty damn close. The expected behavior of wait(0) is to wait 0 seconds or no time. This makes no sense. So obviously the behavior it gives is unexpected.
ROBLOXâs default wait-time is â0.029999999999999999â wait(0) is the same thing as wait() and last I checked ROBLOX discouraged from using wait(). wait() was intended to yield but when you give it a number that makes no sense and ROBLOX has to instead resort to the default wait-time then thats just bad practice.
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Oh, completely forgot about that. wait(0) isnât even possible because the minimum wait time is 0.03:
start = tick() wait(0) print(tick()-start)
â 0.031400680541992
So yeah, you should definitely be using spawn to resume at the next scheduler resume instead of using wait(0) and picking back up at the next resume after 0.03 seconds.
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