Target audience of the forum is not specific enough, introduce tactical barriers for entry

Just to be clear, in this feature request I am asking for a proper system. I’m not asking them to rush by first closing down categories and then figuring it out much later. The latter is only short-term benefit at the expense of an ever-growing community of new developers who do come here with mature / good intentions to be blocked for who-knows-how-long.

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Yes, but what I am saying is there is nothing to be gained from having access to Development Discussion in its current state. Spending an ounce of time reading through the nonsense posted on Development Discussion is only detrimental to the growth of both beginner and experienced developers.

There are other categories which are immensely beneficial for new developers, such as Scripting Support, and those should always be open to Members.

It’s been months, and it will likely be several more months (given that they are only in the planning stages of a devforum overhaul) before the devforum becomes usable. We absolutely should put up a temporary solution to salvage what can be salvaged in the mean time.

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Yes that’s the point I was making
Discord is literally the only other option after the devforums, and the wiki, which is unsafe but that’s exactly what happens.

But, there is no current way for a Member to rank up to Regular. You are effectively dividing the DevForum and blocking those who do take it seriously.

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Wouldn’t this mean that #bulletin-board goes out the window?

Yep, that should live on the site as discussion forums / announcement pages on games pages and on groups. It’s a hack that this should exist on the developer forum to begin with, and was only made as a makeshift solution when they shut down the old Roblox forum.

Example of a feature request that accomplishes the above:

Example for groups:

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I think that’s the issue. The Unity community is consisted of more mature developers and the age framework is completely different. Here in Roblox, it seems like many people lack this type of maturity, cause they simply don’t want to behave, something that needs to be changed immidiately.

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Okay, and what would you rather see? If you look at the thread and it seems useless, why go into it?
If you’re looking for something specific (like EgoMoose’s cool new stuff) there are specific subforums for it. What do you want out of Developer Discussion? For it to be the HackerNews of Roblox? I’m sorry, but Roblox is a game and game development platform designed to be kid-friendly - you aren’t going to get HackerNews quality threads.

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I find some topics on #development-discussion pretty meaningful and interesting, and I find worth replying to. But when I keep running into topics like these mentioned above, it’s hard to contain yourself.

No? #lounge is the equivalent to #general-chat. #development-discussion is for meaningful discussions related to Roblox, not about a funny meme you saw on the internet.

Also, hundreds of members are joining each week, can you imagine the way DevForum will look in a month or two? We need to solve this before it’s too late.

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Roblox is a platform, not a game. It being a platform for game development is correct though. It doesn’t look like you fully read the OP, or understand the target audience of the devforum. The devforum is strictly 13+.

The forum is simply not as useful for more experienced developers, the point of the feature request is to change that so it is useful for everyone, not just starting developers.

Please don’t tell people to just “ignore” “dumb” topics — there are far too many new users joining that do not care for forum etiquette posting everywhere, which clutter forum sorts. “Ignoring” is not a solution.

Developers that will actually benefit from it and don’t use it for miscellaneous topics won’t have an issue getting in :ok_hand:

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I have a hard time believing that anyone browses Development Discussion other than to kill time or maybe occasionally to run into some inspiration to make a game. So

  1. You’re browsing it to kill time, ignore stupid stuff and look at cool stuff
  2. You’re browsing it for inspiration, and there will never be enough threads of this quality to expect anything anyway
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It’s already hard enough to find “cool stuff” among low-effort and off-topic topics at #development-discussion . And as @sjr04 mentioned:

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The forum is simply not as useful for more experienced developers, the point of the feature request is to change that so it is useful for everyone, not just starting developers.

When has the forum ever been useful for more experienced developers outside of the threads someome makes something cool?

Please don’t tell people to just “ignore” “dumb” topics — there are far too many new users joining that do not care for forum etiquette posting everywhere, which clutter forum sorts. “Ignoring” is not a solution.

Sounds like what’s actually needed is better moderation, not higher entry barriers.

Developers that will actually benefit from it and don’t use it for miscellaneous topics won’t have an issue getting in :ok_hand:

No idea about you, but if the DevForum is going to require me to verify my ID so I can post a question about how to make my metatable work I don’t think I’m ever using it again.

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The devforum literally started as an “elite group” where it was invite only, eventually they opened up applications and dropped those to let anyone in. If you read the solution (by a staff member) of this topic, Roblox’s vision is to be an open platform. Just because it is open does not mean it should all of a sudden be impossible to use for more experienced developers. So we can say before the forums went completely open that is probably when. But going back to the old times is obviously not a good idea.

We need both. While I am not the author of the OP I invite you to at least read it, all the concerns are addressed there as well as in replies.

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I’m so surprised that the developer forum about a platform designed for 10 year olds that you browse to kill time doesn’t have posts of as high of a quality as you’d expect.

And this sucked because people who would otherwise greatly benefit from the forum couldn’t get in.

The staff member’s answer hints at something far more reasonable, which is an exclusive space within the DevForum for more experienced developers.

That is what the OP is suggesting when he/she says

Verify a user’s real name / age to automatically be promoted to a certain rank (deter 13- users)

I think there is a misunderstanding here, my point is that the forum should cater to developers of all skill levels, for the past year or two the forum has only done so for newer developers. It can still be open, but if certain users are not going to take development seriously they should not be in the forum as they are unlikely to benefit from it or contribute.

That says to a certain rank, e.g. promoting them to TL2 if they are verified, not necessarily that you need to provide that information to even post.

Also going back to

The devforum is 13+, we are talking about the devforum, not the main platform. Yes, underage users joining/wanting to join is inevitable, but there should be higher restrictions so the amount of them joining is much smaller, and if possible, zero.


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A feature request: since most of these users try logging into the devforum via their main (for which its birthdate is correctly configured), they make an alt and set the birthdate to a date over 13 years ago. The IP or entire device could be banned from creating an account until the user is 13.

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How do you “cater” to a more skilled developer? What could you possibly need aside for maybe an exclusive subforum? What are you coming to the DevForum for that currently doesn’t exist? Do you expect Developer Discussion to be the equivalent of a Roblox Developer subreddit?

So I would never get TL2. Sounds annoying.

But because the average age of a Roblox player is like, 8-9 or something, you’d certainly expect most current or aspiring developers to be 13-15. The number of developers who actually make reasonably high-quality stuff on this platform that are 18+ is probably <1000.

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I want a place where I can discuss development professionally with similar peers. The devforum is currently too far balanced in the favor of new developers or people who are not here to talk about development at all and instead just rant about Roblox/etc. If I ask a question here at my level of experience I will not be able to get useful feedback or a resolution. So I’m asking for the target audience to be made more specific or to have better content sorts, so that I can use this forum properly again.

Not asking for an “insider’s club”, you are putting that into my mouth. Forum is publicly visible currently and that is totally fine. Anyone can log in and instantly participate by liking/viewing posts.

If you don’t have anything meaningful to say, refrain from posting instead of acting up for no reason.

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