I don’t use bloom at all but I use neon lots in my game(The Conquerors 3). I even have a neon teamcolor gamepass that makes all the teamcolor sections of a player’s units/buildings neon. It would be a shame to lose that without having bloom on the rest of the world. Unless I misunderstand completely.
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That… sucks. I don’t really know what else to say. There’s a lot of things that can be considered “not completely crucial.” It’s the little things that make games awesome, and it sucks losing this one
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Please find a way keep black neon. I’ve been using it to make caves and other dark entrances, and it looks so much better than the old method of using 47 transparent parts to achieve the same effect.
Also, I dislike the idea of being forced to have some sort of bloom in order for neon to work correctly. I’d rather have no bloom and just neon.
I understand how much work is going into FIB and I’m greatly thankful for all you guys have done to get it to be a thing, but this would really harm the look and feel of many games.
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A plugin that can control the Rendering settings in Studio, I suppose.
Yep, made by TheNexusAvenger, you can install it here:
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Cool, I’m definitely installing that
Thanks for a great feedback.
Seems like that there are two concerns black neon and coupling the bloom and neon.
Black Neon:
It was always a sort of hack and a byproduct of the way the neon was implemented. Roblox is moving towards more physically correct rendering and there is no black light in real world. Basically the equation of adding bloom&neon changed from “alpha blend” to “addition”. The implementation in FIB is more physically correct and makes sense in HDR pipeline. Whole (rendering) team in in board of retiring the black neon. I dont think that we are going to change our minds on this. Sorry about it. It sucks to limit your creativity with what is supposed to unleash it, however there are trade offs and this is just a small part of big update of shipping the whole FIB. We really thought about this.
Please note: We’ve been telling you to not rely on the black neon for a while now (for example here: Introducing: Improved Neon)
Coupling neon&bloom:
This update makes sense too in a big picture of making everything more physically correct. Now our frame buffer allows to accumulate HDR (even on the crappiest, slowest smart phones) and we later resolve this using tonemapper into LDR and display it in the screen. There is a big difference between behavior of bloom in LDR environment and in HDR. The bloom threshold is now between [0.8; 4.0] and if you set the bloom threshold slightly over 1, you won’t get any crazy sky glow, while you have neon glowing. You will get glow on parts that are lit by lights with a big intensity too.
New parameter exposure compensation can make overall scene to be brighter or darker, also causing it to bloom more or less. There will be auto exposure like in the full FIB builds later.
New sky is also on the road map. This should work better with the HDR rendering too.
We hope that these changes will actually work in your favor and you will like it once you try it.
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I trust that you guys have made the right call here in the grand scheme of things. I’m looking forward to seeing what FIB is going to bring :)!
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Will we be able to control the rate at which auto exposure corrects?
Really excited for this! Any idea when it’ll be releasing?
Will we be able to control the rate at which auto exposure corrects?
Right now you can do the offset. I think the rate would make sense to have. Can’t promise that right now. But we will, of course, try to make it as useful as we can 
Really excited for this! Any idea when it’ll be releasing?
No promises 
. But it will happen.
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I was looking forward to FIB until this post. I’m very disappointed to hear that neon’s behavior is changing in this manner. It’s hard to know how we’ll compensate our build styles without being able to mess around with this hands-on, but I’m certain we will not be enabling bloom in any of our projects. It simply doesn’t look good.
Will FIB always be opt-in, or will it replace the current lighting system once it has been fully released?
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Yes.
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I don’t understand what’s up with the bloom hate? I love it, the effect looks great.
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@ConvexRumbler
Did a flag get turned on that enabled new bloom features? Getting a lot of complaints in this game ([🎉THE GAMES] RoBeats! 🎧 Music + Rhythm + RPG - Roblox) that things are much brighter than before.
Not really. But we’ve enabled the simulation mode(new render path simulating old stuff). Nothing should look different. If it does look different, its a bug.
Lumber Tycoon 2’s lights (SurfaceLights I believe) appear more live, and brighter than before.
The range necessary to see that light has decreased too
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Please check your game now - this issue should now be resolved. Let us know if not!
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