My game really need music too,
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Its Terrible And I need Roblox to fix it.
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They havenāt responded so itās not looking good.
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At this point, developers should strike against roblox by closing down games and stuff. Roblox doesnāt care about developers or anyone, instead promoting an oligarchical regime centered around Video Star Creators and chosen UGC people.
Basically, the average developer is worthless to Roblox. Only a strike would fix this.
Also, the āfreeā audio idea only discriminates against developers, giving some more advantage than others. Srsly, Iād rather just pay twice the price over a monthly limit.
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We are now 4 days in, almost 4300 posts and no response from roblox.
Iām afraid that a lot of the actual feedback is lost in this post with these types of replies, so hereās my effort to lay out as many of the pros and cons I can find.
If you want to reply to me, please read most of this, since Iām trying to level with both sides. Donāt get mad because I said one thing was good.
ā Pros ā
- Audio uploads are now free!
This is the biggest upside to the update, as it means small developers with original or licensed music, not already uploaded to roblox, finally have a way to upload it without having to spend robux of their own.
- More stock music and sound effects.
We donāt know if roblox is actually going to do this, but according to the post theyāre going to upload thousands more assets for us developers to use. Assuming that they are from APM, they arenāt going to cover all genres, but helpful nonetheless.
- The private setting for audios is actually helpful.
It ensures that developers with original music or sound effects are the only ones that can use the assets they upload, which stop people from ripping it from games (using the dev console, even while off-sale) and using it in their own.
ā Cons ā
- The update includes the audio discovery tool, which is useful, butā¦
Itās quite flawed and misses a lot of things it was designed to do. Sound effects get rounded up, meaning that audios over 5.5s in length mistakenly get marked as unusable even though theyāre perfectly fine. Also, it misses out on a lot of sounds actually used in the game, What if Iām using a table of ids to determine what to play? If I wanted to replace the sounds in this table that were unusable, it would be a lot of extra unneeded effort for me.
- Every current audio asset above 6 seconds in length gets automatically privated.
This is the big one, the one that just about the majority of this thread is mad about. Sure, I can agree that a lot of the audio currently uploaded to the platform is used without proper rights, but in doing this to every audio leaves a lot of crossfire.
What about audio creators who have specifically said that their work is allowed to be used in commercial works with credit?
What about royalty free music which is uploaded to the platform and reasonably used?
What about free-to-use sound effects that go over the length of 6s?
These are just a few examples of things that get unfairly taken down because of the whole thing. It would be much smarter to simply make it a new option and call it a day.
- The private setting is flawed, actually.
Despite the private setting being quite helpful, itās definitely pretty flawed in execution. Namely the way the engine figures out what audios can be used or not. Private audios can only be used in the uploaders experiences, which means that even if the uploader owns a group, they canāt use it on their group games. The same thing goes for team create, ideally all of the collaborators would be able to use their own audios in the place, since itās not like the owner is just stealing their assets to use in the game.
Granted the whole team create thing opens up a lot of problems, like having people as collaborators simply because they have a lot of audio uploaded, but itās just confusing.
- The audio limit is also flawed.
Free audios are cool, but hereās the drawback; you can only upload 10 of them (if youāre unverified). This is a huge drawback to a lot of unverified devs, especially sound designers or developers who need to upload a lot of sounds. Letās say Iām creating an FPS with realistic weapons, at the bare minimum, I need sounds for: Firing the weapon, Reloading the weapon. Thatās two sounds for one weapon, It might not seem a lot but that means i can only create 5 weapons in the span of a month, which isnāt enough.
You might say āWhy donāt you just use the same firing and reloading sound for every weapon?ā And sure, youād be right, but not every weapon is the same. What if I were making a conventional bolt action firearm, and then a sci-fi raygun? I couldnāt use the same sounds for that.
The way the website appears to determine which user gets what limit seems to be very random at the moment. Iāve seen from polls and this post that although most unverified users have 10 audios, Iāve seen many with 2000. Iāve asked as much of the people with 2000 if they are verified, devex eligible, have devexed before and the common answer was no.
Alongside this, the audio limit is a hard limit, unlike badges. This means that as soon as you hit this limit, there is nothing you can do to increase it (other then verifying). With badges, you can at least continue paying if you hit your 5 a day limit.
Although I understand why roblox has decided to put the higher limit behind ID verification a lot of users miss out on higher limits because of this. This is a completely separate discussion but Iāll touch on it for a moment: People donāt like verifying on roblox because of privacy.
- Developers may have to replace thousands of audios within weeks.
I think the limits and the small timeframe severely underestimate the amount of audios developers have in games, original or not. Iāve seen hundreds of developers with games that would take them years to replace all of the audio in them. It would be great if the timeframe for this update wasnāt so thin, especially considering that the audio limit is per month, not per day.
Developers typically have more then one complete experience, and typically they contain at least 100 audios (this is being generous, more of then then not the average is 300) and it would take this type of unverified developer 10 months to replace all of the audio they need to keep their game audible.
Of course, this considers that all audios are original, licensed, royalty free or otherwise unreplaceable.
- Making audios public again being locked for an undisclosed amount of time
Itās mentioned numerous times in the post above that the option to make audios public again will be disabled until they can figure out a better solution. This obviously isnāt a great way to take on the situation but Iāll ignore that for now.
The problem with this is it adds on to my crossfire problem from earlier. Audios that users have purposefully put on-sale and free to use canāt simply be put on sale on march the 22nd, which leaves developers to be the sole responsible person to fix the problem. Itās not too great because royalty free music, (Letās just say for example, Kevin Macleodās songs) which is perfectly fine to be used for experiences, is locked to the majority of players who depend on it.
Of course if itās royalty free, why not just reupload it yourself? I agree that this is a simple solution but what if every player did this? Letās say 10k developers need kevin macleod audios for their game and they all used it from a copyable asset that is now being privated. Lets say each of these developers need ~25 different kevin macleod songs and they all reupload them.
(This is an example, these audios could be from any other royalty free artist, kevin was just the first one i could think of.)
That means that thereās now 250,000 duplicate assets on robloxās servers. This wouldnāt have happened if someone simply reuploaded the audios and made them public immediately after the update came out, but they canāt do that.
- Free audios easily exploitable after audios become public again
There are no barriers to uploading free audio right? Then that means, after audios can be made public again, some bot developer could create a program that simply makes an account, uploads 10 audios, makes them all public, and then repeats. Itās a rather simple thing but what Iām trying to say is that turning back on the ability to make audios public simply brings the problem back really quickly and the private setting was all for nothing.
Itās purely hypothetical, Iām not saying that this exactly is going to happen but I can definitely see it happening, now that the main barrier for uploading audios (pay to upload) is removed.
- Licensed audio woes
Like I said earlier, this update affects a lot of audio that the uploader didnāt make, but perfectly has permission to use. How will developers be able to prove that they have permission or the license to use the audio, commercially, in their games? Iāve seen many developers share their experience even before this update to show that the current process for if your licensed audio gets removed for copyright to be very tedious and confusing. Posts like This one, by NowDoTheHarlemShake, in this thread, which shows this process being incredibly annoying to deal with and even may do nothing to fix the problem afterwards.
Itād be great if there was a specific way to show to the system that the uploader has the rights to use an audio. I donāt know how it could be done, but it would make this a whole lot better in my opinion.
ā Others ā
Hereās one other thing that I couldnāt fit anywhere else:
- This Update presumably gets roblox out of legal woes.
Which is the reason why theyāre doing all of this, but in my personal opinion I feel it couldāve been executed so much more efficiently and less destructively. It sucks to know that theyāre pretty much forced to do this, but there were absolutely better ways.
ā Footnote ā
If you carefully looked at this post, youāll realise that most of the problems are either from rushed oversights, or from more prominently, not enough transparency. A lot of the problems appear to be of confusion or just outright not explaining how something works.
I hope this post finds the roblox team well.
TL:DR; The cons of this update severely outweigh the pros, despite the update mostly being forced by legal woes. Most of the cons are caused by confusion, lack of transparency, or just being rushed.
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this is a extreemly bad update.
radio gamepassses and boomboxes are useless now
all my games rely on other peoples audio
all games are now broken
this update is the worst since 2006
this update is so bad i think it would get reverted after itās released.
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I agree.
Roblox should just private copyrighted audios rather than pulling this off.
Also, the free audio update basically discriminates against developers by giving some more audios than others, further showing Robloxās now oligarchical interests (iād rather pay twice the price than this).
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also all of the roblox apm music are poopy
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Really??
Roblox. Revert this! This is truly, the worst update to the platform ever.
This is my inventory now!
This is absurd.
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Here to leave another protest message, Roblox please donāt do this.
but wellā¦ Roblox didnāt have enough with getting the 70% of revenue from young developers, they neither bother the innocent kids that spend their parentsā money in literal smoke for a pet in Adopt Me because thatās what keeps them aliveā¦
Also their sound library is trash donāt even use it, they donāt even have the old sounds of Roblox (2006-2010), because they are specifically user generated content so rip all of the old gamesā¦ Damn I even tried to join The Normal Elevator once again to try and relieve all the nostalgia before Roblox does something, but of course they just activated a bot that deletes copyright music for once in their entire existence just for this ocassion, right
āI feel so regretful of trusting in this platform and wasting my time on learning how to develop inside it, even me as a player will affect me, will Roblox really be a dystopic inspirationless environment for anyone in the future? very probably.ā
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Please Please please please do not push for this change ever. This will destroy most of what roblox is today and will only leave a few select games up and working. I can understand you guys want to manage your copyrighted content better however pushing this onto us developers is a very very bad idea. Not only will you destroy countless of games, you are also putting more and more doubt on us developers on the future of roblox. I for one will not be comfortable making games on a platform THIS unstable.
If you can still break it off, I recommend going for it as fast as possible. Itās not a good decision and the fact that you guys have not been able to deduct this despite this probably going through countless of people tells me more than enough about how these decisions are made.
DONT PUSH THIS ONTO US DEVELOPERS.
Make a system that detects copyrighted content and what not. DONT go the easy route and destroy your community like this. ITS A BAD CHANGE.
You can clearly see how many people are unhappy just by the like ratio on everyone disagreeing. Please take the community into consideration for once and do the right thing. Listen to your developers, not to your shareholders who are scared of a few lawsuits. Make a system yourself.
If this update gets through it would probably mark a new record on bad mistakes from roblox.
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Adding onto this, it can also be a con because it means the audio moderation team is now going to be flooded with audio to moderate. This is already a problem.
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What is the formula or brackets for audio amount? I get 2000 per month but some of my friends get less depending on place visits.
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let me speak buisness to you about how much this update sucks,
this post was made on march 9th. robloxās stocks have dropped for a very good reason 
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The strangest connection Iāve seen people draw between this and the stocks is how it is on an all-time low. Somehow, they miss the entire elephant in the room and fail to recognize that there are more than one deciding factor.
Now about this audio update, this is a complete flush on the audio market. It may sound bad with people familiar with the pre-existing audio. The types of game that take the most impact are rhythm games and ambient/adventure games for the primary impact. However, the secondary impacts only include games where the music is not absolutely essential, e.g. boomboxes.
Also if your audio somehow was copyright-striked, thatās not a humanās work. Check this site out for support on their product that āmatchesā signatures between the uploaded content and their databases.
https://support.audiblemagic.com/hc/en-us/
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The same thing happened to me. I replaced it anyway because some people said itās a plugin bug.
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Yeah, I got 10 and it sucks. I ran out already just fixing previous audios. Now I have none left for this monthās update.
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This is really gonna be a bad update. Roblox hasnāt said anything so it looks like itās going through no matter what.
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If I am using a āsound effectā that is less than 6 seconds, audio is not free to take and is made by another user, will I lose access to these audios on March 22? Iām quite confused about the blue checkmark in the plugin as what āqualifies as a sound effectā even means.
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