No support,. there is no need for pronouns here, this is a place of business, not a discord chatroom, Plus, you can just use they/them.
I know some people in real life who strictly go by he/him and he would be offended if he was called a “they”.
That’s too bad, Number 1, I have never seen a person here getting offended by being called a “they”, and Number 2, it’s kind of a standard, it doesn’t matter if they get offended because that’s what you go by when you don’t know someone’s gender. All you have to do if they get offended is apologize and ask what gender they want to be referred to by.
No one whatsoever ever mentions anything gender related on the DevForum and there are no features that involve gender or gender discussion - no one should be feeling discriminated for their preferred gender.
Quite ridicule to ban people who are here to discuss the Roblox platform for using a wrong pronoun of a person they more than likely never encountered before.
The purpose of the Dev Forum is to stimulate healthy discussion on Roblox, not to stimulate drama and discussion on a person’s gender and how one could feel discriminated by being referred to with the wrong pronoun.
What improves the experience for all of us is tools to communicate with DevRel and discuss Roblox related topics with other users, not gender related ones.
It won’t create a negative environment if it gets overlooked. If more attention is paid towards it this’ll just cause more problems between people.
The person who got called the wrong pronoun is somewhat more responsible for allowing it to make them uncomfortable, rather than the person who called them the incorrect pronoun (given it was on accident). As far as I’m aware there have been little to no instances of gender discrimination on the Devforum, nor any conversation about such topics.
(I am responding to this one given you speak of the entire LGBTQ community, including trans and non-binary people)
What about the people who aren’t with the LGBTQ community? I don’t think this will improve their experience with the forum, rather cause them to leave if LGBTQ people are supposedly being given less punishment than those who are not with LGBTQ. What happens if an LGBTQ supporter calls a straight person the wrong pronoun? i couldn’t think of another way to word this please take this in a kind way
Any ideas? Like @incapaz said, don’t add it. It’ll cause a social imbalance on the devforum and discourage people of any type to not use it, or even leave the forums.
And no, that would be a big error. NO ONE I’VE EVER KNOWN ON THIS FORUM has been attacking anyone by his gender, and if they do they already get banned.
The forum and Roblox itself is already an inclusive place and people who attack someone because of his gender/race/religion and etc. are honestly retards, but we do not need this. Just use “they” as a way to refer to people that you don’t know
“Hey there! Remember to look at the bio/prefered pronouns of the person you are talking to so you don’t get banned”
It is a bit stupid. Nowadays people get offended by everything. We should respect everyone, but this is a bit extreme.
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Bad idea, you already have the bio. If you feel uncomfortable by being called a certain pronoun just say it to the person you are talking to.
I try to use “they” in all situations where referring to another forum user. Keeps it simple and respectful.
Positive reinforcement is how you change culture, not by harshly punishing people.
It’s not a good idea to force social etiquette like this because 95% of the time these things don’t happen on purpose but purely by accident or ignorance. If someone is intentionally being rude you can flag the post, and if you think they made a mistake you could just private message them to point it out or explain it in a friendly way.
If they start banning people who don’t even know what they’re doing wrong or why it is disrespectful (we have many different cultures and age groups here, and habits / biases can be hard to change), this will just radicalize users in the wrong direction, it promotes cynicism. I recommend reconsidering how you approach this problem on this/other platforms.
I am against this for the main reason that gender has never been an issue, nor should people know a person’s gender (privacy laws).
These topics come up time and time again, and it is irrelevant to development. It does not add anything to help the development cycle, and only attempts to fix a problem that doesn’t exist. ( Everyone uses “they” most of the time)
I loathe the thought of me having to switch from using “they” to another pronoun just because a person finds that “they” is not neutral enough for them. Nor do I want a person to feel they have the right to harass me because I said “them” instead of their “listed” gender.
I highly disagree. I’m a member of the LGBTQ community myself. Thing is you wouldn’t have known this until now. Simply because this is meant for developers, not a hangout. You’re able to tell someone’s gender 99% of the time just by looking at their name and avatar. There’s absolutely no reason why this needs to be added.
I feel like by using a general pronoun that applies for all genders, devforum will be a better place. We don’t need to add special gender plaques by our profile and I feel like anything profile not related to developing should be occluded.
putting my opinions on the gender pronoun issue aside, i do like the signature idea. i feel the devforum could implement this for general use, and then if you feel it is necessarily, you can mention your pronouns and any other information you wish to make known about yourself
Other people have said to use “they”, and I will say the same thing with my reasoning.
Many people will be offended about many things, no culture or group will ever satisfy every possible person who visits or joins them. Trying to appeal to everybody is silly, and punishing them for trying to keep up with that and inevitably failing is even more so. Your profile’s biography should suit your needs if you want to specify your pronouns.
Alrighty everyone, the idea of giving out strikes and bans may of been a bit to extreme. Here is a new system idea I have. What we could do is send out friendly reminders when someone uses the wrong pronouns. if they reply to the reminder with something inappropriate such as “nah its a dude” (when she/her pronouns are supposed to be used) then we could hand out a strike.
Why can’t the user who was misgendered DM them themselves? And if they respond negatively, it can just be reported to DET. That’s what we’re doing right now, having DET step in and provide reminders is pointless so we shouldn’t start doing that.
Tbh even if the person DMed them about it, I wouldn’t trust them to be polite about it. Safest option I can see in this situation is just encouraging users to use “they” if they’re unsure of the pronouns.
I disagree with the concept, since it would be extremely redundant in one part. In the other hand, disrespect should be moderated in normal basis. Wrong pronouns or not, pronouns aren’t important to the context of development.
Again, it is technically an encouragement of discriminating someone’s identity through pronouns – as in categorizing people. We don’t want that nor the statistics about who are what in the forum. It is backfiring towards the users who are “excessively” strict on their pronouns.
If someone’s being disrespectful, that already falls under existing rules. You can put your pronouns in your bio if you’re frequently misgendered (since most people assume gender from avatar/pfp).
I honestly don’t see why it matters. You could simply use their name, or “they” and it’s done. They is non-specific, and a name clears up any confusion, and leaves no room for error. Plus, no one knows what any of the people here look like, so that also makes it even more improbable to make the error. Sure, it’s a cool concept, but it just doesn’t matter to most people, as most of us refer to eachother as “you,” “they,” or by username.
No transgender or non-binary people have complained about this, so it’s apparently not much of an issue. If you really want people to know your pronouns, you can add it on the post yourself or put it in your bio.
Is this really needed? This seems to be an issue you pulled out of thin air build upon assuming people’s thoughts. Also, it seems a bit overkill.
Maybe it’s just me, but does it really hurt so much because someone said he instead of she? If someone called me a she I wouldn’t mind in the slightest.
I know you updated this, but either way it’s an awful idea. Even the friendly reminder is not needed. And how would this be enforced? By community flags? Should a post really be flagged over using the wrong pronoun? Should someone be punished for making a tiny mistake?
Absolutely refusing to acknowledge someone’s gender already falls under a punishable offense, as well.
But it makes everyone else live in fear over a nonexistent issue.
