New Terrain and Parts Built-In Materials - Release Build

[overflowed]

I have uploaded Roblox’s now legacy textures in a handy GitHub repository.

They are currently available in .dds (which is convertable to .png using GIMP), but .png conversions will be coming very soon.

GitHub - ovarflode/roblox-og-textures: Roblox doesn't play Roblox.

Roblox-og-textures - Let's take it back to a better time

6/10/21: Updates to the GitHub have been put on hold UNTIL IT IS CONFIRMED that Roblox will keep their word on giving developers the option to switch between the Legacy and new textures in their games. TL;DR/GitHub Repo Link: Preface roblox-og-textures is a GitHub repository of all the original textures prior to the update outlined in this post: New Terrain and Parts Built-In Materials - Release Build This repository complies with the following guidelines enumerated in the #resources:comm…

[JackADevil (くらやみ)]

This actually isn’t particularly bad compared to many of the other examples, everything in it continues to have a very similar vibe to it, the road is oddly dark and seams and it’s texture seams to clash but aside from that the whole build keeps the same atmosphere and general look.

[Nootian (Noot)]

Thanks @overflowed ! thats awesome, now the old materials can be PBR’d

[BravenwolfTFS (Braven)]

Should we be able to mod these into our files to restore the old materials should we so desire?

[overflowed]

Yes, you can overwrite them in your local files, but obviously it’ll only be visible to you.

[BIoxPixeI (Blue)]

I’m trying not to be angry… LISTEN! This whole new terrain and part material were NOT good at all. Removing the old material texture that we currently have just to replace with this new material texture was unnecessary. Please, just listen to the developer. All new material textures don’t look good on their building creation. Some of them like wooden plank and wood material looks okay.

PLEASE! Keep the old material and let us have an option to use both and old material at the same time from what I said from the previous new material announcement post! I’ve said the same thing so. Smh

New Terrain and Parts Materials Preview Build! Oh YES!

If Roblox staff are going to release this new texture update. PLEASE! We need to have the option to use both old and new material textures. NOT JUST REPLACING THEM WITH NEW ONE. I have to agree with some peoples that some new material needs a rework!! For example, the brick part is literally too big compared to the small brick part material. The new foil material is literally becoming like metal material. I changed my mind. I was going to be expected that you guys are making this update good but…

Sorry for the one-second reply because I save this message to post later so.

[overflowed]

Steps to locally overwrite the textures in your game files have been outlined in the .README file of the repo.

[Mistertitanic44]

I actually really love the smooth, lighter, and optimized feel of the new textures. I always found the old ones to be too detailed/ contrasty. Im looking forward to the performance updates as well. I want the people behind this update to know that they are loved by somebody I can understand people’s frustrations as in some cases it does change their style but I have been through many growing pains on roblox throughout the years and in these times we need to adapt, overcome, improvise. Plus it seems like we will be able to upload these legacy materials into the new custom option you will be coming out with. Maybe it will be nice to have a legacy pack?

My only complaint would be the tiling is obvious in some materials compared to their predecessors. That in some cases would be a breaking point for me on deciding to use these materials and would have to get worked on.

[asimo3089]

This comment almost seems like it was made for the sole purpose to poke at those upset with this change.

Sorry you see it that way. I know others will disagree and we can leave it at that. Not at all an attack on anybody saying this is a hard change. For our situation, it was an easy swap.

Where is your source that this improves performance?

Perhaps things have changed, but this was the reason given to us by Roblox in the last materials change maybe 7? years ago. This was before the dev forum existed.

It also helps when you’re one of the top devs on Roblox who has an entire team

It’s just me building this world. Appreciate you thinking we have a team. We definitely work hard to get the content out we do.

[DaDude_89 (KasCode)]

How would it overcomplicate things? I’m sure it’s 100% possible to simply add a checkbox to the Workspace object called LegacyMaterialsEnabled that can be unchecked/check to switch between the two material groups. Even if keeping the legacy materials will cost maybe a few seconds of extra loading time, it’s worth it to not absolutely destroy 90% of builds on Roblox.

[sp1980]

Adding onto this, in the post at the top of this thread from Roblox,

For example, authoring marketplace content that looks and acts as intended in a world with two sets of materials is much more challenging. Application download times would also be significantly increased, especially as we expand the material library.

[overflowed]

Don’t let an earthworm crawling on the ground ruin your day

[sp1980]

Wow; I just saw your edit.

[ItsPlasmaRBLX (Brer Rabbit)]

The point was that it shouldn’t even be like that, we want the old materials, and for this to be an option.

[cunpliy]

Theres still stuff that needs to be changed.

1. Grass, please improve its so bad. It looks bland and boring and makes builds look a bit mushy and is so flat.

2. Bricks. IMO I think it looks pretty good. Though issue is from a far it doesn’t really look that good, not just that it needs more depth it looks a bit flat. Also it looks WAYY too clean. Dirty it up a tad bit. Also make some parts a darker shade. Not too dark but noticeable. Something like in the old brick texture it has darker parts to imitate how it looks in real life. Also I think the texture should be roughened up a bit. Looks a bit too smooth.

3. WoodPlanks. I think it looks pretty good but I think it looks a bit boring though. Also I think the screws should be more bigger and more noticeable.

4. Wood. I think the newer one looks better then in the older build, but it looks too smooth. It should looks more grainy I guess you could say.

5. Corroded metal. I dont like it. The corrosion looks like a blurry mess. I think you should make it tile more so it hides the blurriness and looks better on smaller parts. Also sorry but the corrosion kind of looks like barf. This should 100% be improved.

6. Sandstone. Not really much to say here but it kind of looks a bit rubbery. But on parts it looks so bad. It lacks depth and detail on parts. Here’s a comparison.

   

7. Slate. It needs to be rougher, it looks wayy too smooth and makes builds look a lot worse. Please I beg you to make it a lot more rougher this really needs to be done.

8. Sand. It needs to tile less. On the older builds it tiled less and looked a lot better. Also the waves should be more smoother they look a bit rough. Also shadows look a bit weird and grainy on it. Heres what I mean

   
   
   Also theres still this weird shiny grid pattern on sand
   
   
   
   Seems to only happen on terrain. Also the sand material looks kind of wet on terrain. I dont know if it happens on parts I dont think it does. Heres what I mean
   
   
   
   It should look more dryer, it looks kind of metallic and wet.

9. Pavement. I really like it, though I think it should tile a bit more. BUT theres one huge issue. Pavement on terrain should look the same as on parts. It looks absolutely discusting on terrain. Wooden planks on terrain does look a bit worse though it doesn’t really look as bad as pavement.

10. Cobblestone. I really like it to be honest, it looks very nice and realistic. BUT on terrain it looks so much worse, it also tiles more for some reason. Make it look the same on terrain like it does on parts please. It makes builds look mushy.

11. Cracked Lava. I love it. It really does look amazing. But it tiles more on terrain and I’d like it to tile just as much as it does on terrain, it looks better like that.

12. Limestone. It looks great I really like it, but on parts it should be brigthened up. Currently theres not really any good colours for it. Its either Yellow bluish or Yellow greenish or just dark yellow. I want to be able to make it look similar as terrain. Even if I use the same colour as it is on terrain it doesn’t look the same.

13. Salt. Not much to say it looks nice. But in shadow it looks really weird
    

    

14. Concrete. I think it looks pretty good but one issue is that its not really that noticeable. Especially in shadows. Also the roughness should be turned up more. It looks wet.
    

    

15. Asphalt. Up close it looks pretty nice but if you got farther it just looks like noise.

16. Fabric. I think it should tile more. Thats all I have to say. Just needs to tile a bit more.

17. Diamond Plate. It looks good in certain scenarios. If its in a room illuminated by lights in future, it looks great. But if its outside it looks really plasticly, or if its in a room being illuminated by lights in voxel or shadowmap. Heres a before and after.

Before

After

It looks plasticky and not that great.

18. Leafy grass. I dont like leafy grass that much, It doesn’t really blend well together with regular grass. It should use the same grass texture but with leaves. No changes. Also why isn’t there a stem for the leaves? All it looks like is just a bunch of yellow ovals that have been torn

19. Plastic. Please make it more noticeable, it seems to be even less noticeable then before. Its barley noticeable at all.

KEEP THE OLD TEXTURES

I understand the reasons not to but cant you stream them like how you stream game content and custom textures? Sure it might not be as efficent but its better then ruining how people wanted it too look like before this update.

Also Im hoping these materials I’ve suggested get added

@cunpliy

Also it’d be nice to have a mattress material, so far I just use fabric but the issue is it’s not realistic obviously, I think it’d be great to have a mattress material, I’d love to use it. Also I think there should be a dead grass material like this

Also a grass material with flowers would be great to have as well.

Also you should add a cork material. With the old materials pebble was used as cork since it didn’t really look like pebbles. But since pebbles look like pebbles now which I like, you can’t use it as cork anymore or any material as cork
Here’s a picture for reference.

Also another material which would be a great addition would be a cardboard material, I think a cardboard material would be a good addition.

Also another material which would be nice to have is a limestone wall material.
Heres a picture for reference

Also I hope a drywall and shingle material is added it’d be a great addition. I really want them and I’m sure others do.

A lot of these materials look really nice, even though theres a lot I want changed it still doesn’t the fact they look great, these are manly just more smaller changes.

@cunpliy

Here’s a big list of materials that I think should be added. It would make a lot of sense if you can’t add all or most of these in. It would make sense if it was added later.
- Cobblestone walls
Currently the materials has been lacking materials for medieval builds, there aren’t really good choices for walls for medieval builds, slate is to rough (Well now too smooth), bricks are too rough, regular cobblestone too irregular and is just good for paths now. I think cobblestone walls would be a great addition since they were used in like the 1500s I’ve heard. And there should be a mossy variant for builds that require really aged medieval builds.

- Roof Shingles
Currently the only good choices for roof shingles are just bricks, which is meh to use, it would be great to have a roof shingles material to use since there aren’t really any great options besides bricks and maybe wooden planks, there should also be a medieval variant for medieval builds since regular roof shingles would be too modern.

- Dry Wall
Currently there aren’t really good materials for dry wall, concrete is too rough, wood just doesn’t work that well, same with wooden planks depending on the style. Please add a dry wall material I think the list is desperately in need and I would love to use it.

- Crystal
This obviously would be a terrain and part material and I think it would look beautiful, I would love to add this in a cave I have and I think It would look beautiful and would be a great addition. There should also be a clear version and not just a version like just found, like in the earth.

- Emerald, Diamond, Gold
This again would obviously be a part and terrain material. I know there’s already a diamond material but it’s only for parts and I think a different version for terrain would be great, I think a different version would be great because I’m assuming the diamond material would be more clear and not just found in the earth. Which thinking about it, the same version of emerald, diamond, and gold for terrain should also be for parts. And those 3 version should also have a more clear version just for parts, like you’d find in a gold bar or emerald necklace. These would be great for my cave since I’d have more variety.

-Cinder
Currently I think it would be a great addition for a cinder material, another person before these new materials were announced that they were coming, asked for one. Thinking about it I think it would be a great addition.

-Rusted Diamond Plate
I think a rusted diamond plate would be a great addition for more older/aged builds. There’s already a corroded metal material so a Rusted Diamond Plate material I think would be a great addition, and would make sense.

-Hardwood Floor/Polished Wooden Floor
Currently there isn’t good options for more modern houses, Wooden Planks is too old to use. I would love to have a hardwood/polished wooden floor material to use and I think is really needed. There should be different types to use like, A big version which is the same size as the wooden planks, A medium version that’s like 0.5 in width, and a small version which is like 0.2 or 0.3 in width. The length isn’t different just the width. Though there could just be 1 type which I think the medium version would be a good pick and maybe a good width I’m not sure.

-Polished Wood
Currently the material list is lacking in more modern materials, I think a polished wood material would work well for more modern houses

-Sponge Material
Currently, the old pebble material was used as a sponge material since it sucked as an actual pebble material and looked more spongey. Because of this, when the new places get updated it would be hard to find a replacement for the old pebble material for sponges. It would be great to have a sponge material to compensate for this.

-Coral Material and other underwater materials for terrain and parts
Currently on the material list, there isn’t really any good materials for underwater worlds, it’s pretty lacking. I think materials for underwater environments would be very beneficial for dev’s that make underwater environments since in roblox.

-Pool Tiles
Currently there aren’t good textures at all for pool tiles, I think a texture for this would be amazing to have! Especially since there isn’t any good materials to have for it.

-Carbon Fiber
I think a carbon fiber material would be great to add for stuff like more modern car interiors

-Updated Water Material
Currently the water material hasen’t been changed and I really wished it was, it doesn’t look too bad currently but it makes me sad, because it could look so much better and realistic. I really hope it gets updated.

-Leaves
Currently when uploading realistic tress to roblox, I have issues finding good pbr leaf textures online for the leaves. It would be great to have an inbuilt material to use for the leaves. They’re obviously not meant to be used for parts or terrain, just for tree leaves. There should be different types obviously, like a maple version, a pine version, and more. There also should be a snowy version for snowy environments. Also there should be a snowy version for the tree bark materials.

@cunpliy

-Add a seprate option to colour the sides/bottom on terrain
Currently when colouring terrain textures it affects the sides and bottom part, when I just want to colour the top. In a place I have. I wanted to make my grass more vibrant but issue is, it makes the dirt green. Which I do not want at all. I just want to make the grass more vibrant.

I’m excited to see how much better the new materials would look with all the improvements. Materials like the new rock, mud, cobblestone, basalt, and more, look absolutely gorgeous! I’m excited and can’t wait to see the improvement’s made once in studio as a beta feature, and the new upcoming materials. You’ve been doing a fantastic job!

[DaDude_89 (KasCode)]

I often use the legacy grass material for tree leaves and dirt. I even use slate for dirt sometimes because it fits so well.

Please explain to me, if I were to need to use the correct material for the correct things, how would I replace the legacy grass material to still be leafy but also having a distinct Roblox style?

Or even better, how could I replace the legacy sand material when I used it for it’s fabric-like texture? Do I use the simply fabulous fur material, or do I use the new grass material that looks like wet hair from over 10 studs?

[Mad_Scientist99 (Tophat)]

I have 4 words to describe how detrimental this update is to many people:

I don’t think anyone cared about the performance of the old materials, just using them for appearence. There should have been no problem in preserving it, but no. You HAD to force everything, and screw up everything people have shown here.

I also presume that Surfaces are going to be hidden and removed, as plastic seems to be getting an update, making this update completely stupid with little pros. I do not have the new texures installed, so if someone could please show me how surfaces look on the new plastic, I will be grateful.

I honestly don’t hate on updates often, not bothering about them, but this is absolute crap. It not only affects devs, but also affects players’ experiences in “experiences”

There is no god.

[12mrcool (NorthernCanuck)]

Or even a folder system and just have the new ones named differently, honestly that way would work

[MuffinDerps]

Dude, man, dude, just anything to keep the old materials to some degree.

[nezko]

I’ve been testing the new materials on my showcase and it just took a few minutes and some minor tweaks to make it look almost the same as the legacy materials.

Made a comparision side by side, there’s no much difference between them but i’ts a subtle and nice improvement as you keep looking at.

As for my opinion new materials looks really good and new ones have some really good potential to be used, surely they don’t look quite well if you just swap right away, it needs to be adjusted to improve their looks with the overall composition and that could be a concern, but as i’ved mentioned im excited to use those new materials on new builds and see their full potential.